bad omen

blondy28 wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

blondy28 wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:Talking like it might be Adam Schiff that's made speaker after an initial period held by Pelosi.  I'm watching Pelosi give a House victory speech.  I have never really understood what people hate about her.  She comes across as a bit goofy, but I figure that's age catching up with her.  I think she's a nice lady saying reasonable things.  I've not heard her say anything that ever rubbed me the wrong way.  If people think she's weak and not cutthroat enough, I can jive with that, but I don't really know what Repubs hate about her so much.

They hate her because Republicans targeted her.  It's the Mike Madigan, George Soros, Hillary Clinton, etc. of the House.

Agreed, but I know a lot of reasonable repubs that hate her, too.  These are people that wouldn't reflexively hate someone because of some inexplicable targeting.

And their reasons?

sharpy wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:Talking like it might be Adam Schiff that's made speaker after an initial period held by Pelosi.  I'm watching Pelosi give a House victory speech.  I have never really understood what people hate about her.  She comes across as a bit goofy, but I figure that's age catching up with her.  I think she's a nice lady saying reasonable things.  I've not heard her say anything that ever rubbed me the wrong way.  If people think she's weak and not cutthroat enough, I can jive with that, but I don't really know what Repubs hate about her so much.

Its all perception - Jesus could have been the democratic Speaker and HE would have been the one vilified and torn about by the GOP and now 50% of the country see her as stalin and lenin tied into one - she cannot be the head of the democratic house - they will rip her apart and base the ENTIRE 2020 strategy on how terrible she is ...

jaywit wrote:

Its all perception - Jesus could have been the democratic Speaker and HE would have been the one vilified and torn about by the GOP and now 50% of the country see her as stalin and lenin tied into one - she cannot be the head of the democratic house - they will rip her apart and base the ENTIRE 2020 strategy on how terrible she is ...

Whoever is to be speaker will get that same treatment.  Whoever it is will have a bad name going into 2020.  The game plan is set, the name is yet to be installed.  Once the name is given, the strategy will come from the Carl Rovians.  Guaranteed.



From this election, what I am most disillusioned by is while the numbers of voters are way, way up, Trumpism took some hits but also made some gains.  To me, that implies there were new Trump supporters who didn't vote in 2016.  I had thought he would have garnered 99.9% of his base in 2016 but instead it expanded.  

jaywit wrote:


From this election, what I am most disillusioned by is while the numbers of voters are way, way up, Trumpism took some hits but also made some gains.  To me, that implies there were new Trump supporters who didn't vote in 2016.  I had thought he would have garnered 99.9% of his base in 2016 but instead it expanded.  

jaywit wrote:

sharpy wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:Talking like it might be Adam Schiff that's made speaker after an initial period held by Pelosi.  I'm watching Pelosi give a House victory speech.  I have never really understood what people hate about her.  She comes across as a bit goofy, but I figure that's age catching up with her.  I think she's a nice lady saying reasonable things.  I've not heard her say anything that ever rubbed me the wrong way.  If people think she's weak and not cutthroat enough, I can jive with that, but I don't really know what Repubs hate about her so much.

Its all perception - Jesus could have been the democratic Speaker and HE would have been the one vilified and torn about by the GOP and now 50% of the country see her as stalin and lenin tied into one - she cannot be the head of the democratic house - they will rip her apart and base the ENTIRE 2020 strategy on how terrible she is ...

Whoever is to be speaker will get that same treatment.  Whoever it is will have a bad name going into 2020.  The game plan is set, the name is yet to be installed.  Once the name is given, the strategy will come from the Carl Rovians.  Guaranteed.



From this election, what I am most disillusioned by is while the numbers of voters are way, way up, Trumpism took some hits but also made some gains.  To me, that implies there were new Trump supporters who didn't vote in 2016.  I had thought he would have garnered 99.9% of his base in 2016 but instead it expanded.  

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

jaywit wrote:

Its all perception - Jesus could have been the democratic Speaker and HE would have been the one vilified and torn about by the GOP and now 50% of the country see her as stalin and lenin tied into one - she cannot be the head of the democratic house - they will rip her apart and base the ENTIRE 2020 strategy on how terrible she is ...

Whoever is to be speaker will get that same treatment.  Whoever it is will have a bad name going into 2020.  The game plan is set, the name is yet to be installed.  Once the name is given, the strategy will come from the Carl Rovians.  Guaranteed.



From this election, what I am most disillusioned by is while the numbers of voters are way, way up, Trumpism took some hits but also made some gains.  To me, that implies there were new Trump supporters who didn't vote in 2016.  I had thought he would have garnered 99.9% of his base in 2016 but instead it expanded.  

They will bring in Frank Luntz to teach them how to message their hate for the new speaker in a way that's memorable and permeates the brains of the weak masses.  Luntz is a genius when it comes to this shit, and the GOP is amazingly steadfast in following the methodology to a freaking tee.  I gotta hand it to Luntz.  He's good.  An evil genius.  He's always really interesting when he's on Bill Maher.

blondy28 wrote:

Not sure if he's a genius.  He has focus groups and tests a bunch of shit on them and he rolls out whatever tested well.  Maybe you find him a genius because he comes up with the lines before he tests them ("death panels"...although I'm not sure that was his line), but I would think that any one of us could come up with a list of catchy one liners to describe something and test it on focus groups.

sharpy wrote:They will bring in Frank Luntz to teach them how to message their hate for the new speaker in a way that's memorable and permeates the brains of the weak masses.  Luntz is a genius when it comes to this shit, and the GOP is amazingly steadfast in following the methodology to a freaking tee.  I gotta hand it to Luntz.  He's good.  An evil genius.  He's always really interesting when he's on Bill Maher

I guess even as an old man, I remain somewhat naïve and just don't understand some things.. Here's a guy who is probably smart, who takes pride and a fortune in making up lies, insults and smears, against people he doesn't even know, for a group of people out to fuck over millions of people and attempt to make the USA a fascist state ..yet, he can live with himself and eagerly hold his hand out for his next paycheck..    to me, this is a BAD human being, and if we were more in the animal kingdom, would be targeted for death by pecking, stomping or biting, by all the good animals

cream919 wrote:you know what will go the furthest for the democrats - NOT electing Pelosi to be the Speaker 


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As you all know I live in fucking Indiana. As God as my witness, every single piece of conservative red-neck political mail that got shoved into my mail box this campaign season...EVERY FUCKING ONE...had Nancy Pelosi's face slapped on the front....without fail!!!!

sharpy wrote:He comes across as a nice guy and seems like just a hired gun. 


Capone seemed like a hell of a guy ...so did whitey Bulger ...and Vito Corleone and his clan,....How can you be a nice guy while you are doing a bad thing and trying your best to fuck over millions?  I'm sure Stalin was a great dinner guest and interview - Roosevelt liked "Uncle Joe".....he's buffaloing you and if Maher is his friend - then he's a sap as well.  You cannot be a quality human being when your goal in life is to "just do your job" and hurt millions.  Sorry - don't buy it. 
Steve Bannion was on Maher's show a few months back - he was civil, he was a good interview - Maher thanked him for showing up and then said something to the fact, that "history is going to treat you badly" - why, b/c no matter how "nice" he seemed, he's a shit ball human being.

cream919 wrote:Blondy, using Pelosi sure worked in Indiana. I don't know who Madigan is other than hearing the name...Pelosi is a national figure. On Monday I had a democratic senator...today I have a republican. The blue wave passed over Indiana. It doesn't matter who defines what...she's become a liability to her party in her leadership role and she needs to step aside. Time for some fresh, and in my opinion, more assertive blood.