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    Impeachment Hearings

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    Post by blondy28 Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:32 pm

    SoxIlliniRob wrote:
    blondy28 wrote:
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    alohafri wrote:
    blondy28 wrote:Don't recall if I already asked this, but too lazy to look.  In a court trial, the judge can prevent certain witnesses from testifying, can prevent certain lines of questioning, etc.  I believe in the Bill Cosby trial, there was a question as to how many, if any, alleged victims would be allowed to testify.  If memory serves, only one was permitted.  So in the impeachment, can witnesses or certain lines of questioning be prevented?  I would presume if they can, that it's the dems who control that.  When the trial moves to the senate, over which Justice Roberts will preside, will those types of issues come before him?  I know the GOP keeps talking about calling Hunter Biden and Joe Biden to testify, and their testimony is totally irrelevant.  Will the GOP be able to simply muddy the waters with irrelevant testimony?  And seems to me that if Hunter Biden and Joe Biden are forced to testify, that it will serve to accomplish what Trump was trying to accomplish from the get go...smearing Joe Biden, weakening him if he ends up being Trump's opponent.

    Let the Trumpists call the Bidens to testify. They watch them try to explain relevance. 

    I wish the Bidens would just say "bring it on" and go in there and throw it all on the table and explain the whole thing as it is.  He took a board position he probably wasn't qualified for, but so what, since it's not illegal.  It paid well, so he took it, and now he realizes it was a dumb idea and he wouldn't do it again if having the opportunity to turn back time.  Just be honest and say "Yes, it's probably not fair that they paid me to be on their board, but they did it and I didn't break laws and there was nothing else to it unless you have some kind of proposed crime you want to ask me about."  

    Ultimately, the GOP just throws the word "corruption" out there to upset the apple cart and people bite into that.  Nothing specific, just "corruption."  Come in there with about 100 examples of other unqualified celebs and political cronies that have gotten silly board positions and ask if that's all they got?  

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like the Bidens' playing coy with this makes them seem more guilty.  Just own it.

    Do you think they're playing coy?  Didn't Hunter go on the Today show and basically say just what you said?  I think if he does that again and again and again it would be worse...and it would also have them reacting to the Republicans, and I don't think you ever want them to think they control youl.

    Joe looked pretty silly yelling at that guy about it yesterday.  Just politely say the same thing over and over again until it's been stated a million times.  Just like in Trump world, once you say it a million times it becomes true whether it is or not.  Rather than yelling, Joe needs to repeat..."He took a board position.  His decision.  Zero involvement from me.  No laws broken.  No crimes committed.  No corruption.  Just took a position he was offered that paid him well.  Anyone would have taken it."  Something to that effect, over and over.  By avoiding talking about it, which I think they mostly have, it makes them seem like something is amiss.  I don't think anything really is amiss, but the perception is there.  Take a fucking one hour interview with Barb Walters and tell her she can spend the entire hour asking about it on national TV and then announce that you're done talking on it.  I get what you're saying.....don't let them control you.  It's like when the GOP forced Obama to show his fucking birth certificate, but doing it basically shut them up and kind of embarrassed them.

    I saw tweets about it, but I didn't play the video.  I do worry about Joe being confronted about Hunter, but more about his addiction and his child as proven by DNA, and apparently she was a stripper?  If you attack one of my kids, it would tear my heart out.  Certainly Joe worries about that kid everyday. The total hypocrisy of the Trump grifters tweeting about this given Trump's affinity for strippers and porn stars, but this seems to be one of those things where Rebublicans have no boundaries and the Dems do.  I couldn't have picked Jimmy Carter out of a line-up when he was president, since I didn't follow politics until Bush 41 screwed me over in my tax return, but I sure knew that Billy Carter was a raging alcoholic, and I knew that Roger Clinton was, too.  Neal Bush, however, gets one story about prostitutes in China, and the Bush family keeps him out of the limelight.  I don't know any democratic politician that ever tried to use that for political purposes.  Hunter Biden was not in the administration, unlike the Trump kids, who are, and the GOP has no problem attacking him.  The level that Trump has brought this country to is tragic.
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    Post by SoxIlliniRob Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:00 pm

    blondy28 wrote:
    SoxIlliniRob wrote:
    blondy28 wrote:
    SoxIlliniRob wrote:
    alohafri wrote:
    blondy28 wrote:Don't recall if I already asked this, but too lazy to look.  In a court trial, the judge can prevent certain witnesses from testifying, can prevent certain lines of questioning, etc.  I believe in the Bill Cosby trial, there was a question as to how many, if any, alleged victims would be allowed to testify.  If memory serves, only one was permitted.  So in the impeachment, can witnesses or certain lines of questioning be prevented?  I would presume if they can, that it's the dems who control that.  When the trial moves to the senate, over which Justice Roberts will preside, will those types of issues come before him?  I know the GOP keeps talking about calling Hunter Biden and Joe Biden to testify, and their testimony is totally irrelevant.  Will the GOP be able to simply muddy the waters with irrelevant testimony?  And seems to me that if Hunter Biden and Joe Biden are forced to testify, that it will serve to accomplish what Trump was trying to accomplish from the get go...smearing Joe Biden, weakening him if he ends up being Trump's opponent.

    Let the Trumpists call the Bidens to testify. They watch them try to explain relevance. 

    I wish the Bidens would just say "bring it on" and go in there and throw it all on the table and explain the whole thing as it is.  He took a board position he probably wasn't qualified for, but so what, since it's not illegal.  It paid well, so he took it, and now he realizes it was a dumb idea and he wouldn't do it again if having the opportunity to turn back time.  Just be honest and say "Yes, it's probably not fair that they paid me to be on their board, but they did it and I didn't break laws and there was nothing else to it unless you have some kind of proposed crime you want to ask me about."  

    Ultimately, the GOP just throws the word "corruption" out there to upset the apple cart and people bite into that.  Nothing specific, just "corruption."  Come in there with about 100 examples of other unqualified celebs and political cronies that have gotten silly board positions and ask if that's all they got?  

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like the Bidens' playing coy with this makes them seem more guilty.  Just own it.

    Do you think they're playing coy?  Didn't Hunter go on the Today show and basically say just what you said?  I think if he does that again and again and again it would be worse...and it would also have them reacting to the Republicans, and I don't think you ever want them to think they control youl.

    Joe looked pretty silly yelling at that guy about it yesterday.  Just politely say the same thing over and over again until it's been stated a million times.  Just like in Trump world, once you say it a million times it becomes true whether it is or not.  Rather than yelling, Joe needs to repeat..."He took a board position.  His decision.  Zero involvement from me.  No laws broken.  No crimes committed.  No corruption.  Just took a position he was offered that paid him well.  Anyone would have taken it."  Something to that effect, over and over.  By avoiding talking about it, which I think they mostly have, it makes them seem like something is amiss.  I don't think anything really is amiss, but the perception is there.  Take a fucking one hour interview with Barb Walters and tell her she can spend the entire hour asking about it on national TV and then announce that you're done talking on it.  I get what you're saying.....don't let them control you.  It's like when the GOP forced Obama to show his fucking birth certificate, but doing it basically shut them up and kind of embarrassed them.

    I saw tweets about it, but I didn't play the video.  I do worry about Joe being confronted about Hunter, but more about his addiction and his child as proven by DNA, and apparently she was a stripper?  If you attack one of my kids, it would tear my heart out.  Certainly Joe worries about that kid everyday. The total hypocrisy of the Trump grifters tweeting about this given Trump's affinity for strippers and porn stars, but this seems to be one of those things where Rebublicans have no boundaries and the Dems do.  I couldn't have picked Jimmy Carter out of a line-up when he was president, since I didn't follow politics until Bush 41 screwed me over in my tax return, but I sure knew that Billy Carter was a raging alcoholic, and I knew that Roger Clinton was, too.  Neal Bush, however, gets one story about prostitutes in China, and the Bush family keeps him out of the limelight.  I don't know any democratic politician that ever tried to use that for political purposes.  Hunter Biden was not in the administration, unlike the Trump kids, who are, and the GOP has no problem attacking him.  The level that Trump has brought this country to is tragic.

    The thing with Trump is that his violation of norms is so egregious and so voluminous that nobody cares about any of it anymore.  It's all just a big pile of "Well, unless he killed someone, I've heard it all before so STFU."  There's seemingly nothing Trump can really do that will seem problematic or out of the norm.  He can get away with shit that would destroy anyone else.  He conducts business of the US on unsecure phone lines.  No biggie.  His kids use private email and messaging apps to conduct business with world leaders.  Whatever.  Nobody cares.  Hillary does it, put her in jail.  He can fuck porn stars and do whatever...no biggie.  Whatsername in California is the victim of revenge porn...gotta resign.  it's amazing, but I'm past even raising an eyebrow over it anymore.  Just used to it.
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    Post by blondy28 Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:34 pm

    SoxIlliniRob wrote:
    blondy28 wrote:
    SoxIlliniRob wrote:
    blondy28 wrote:
    SoxIlliniRob wrote:
    alohafri wrote:
    blondy28 wrote:Don't recall if I already asked this, but too lazy to look.  In a court trial, the judge can prevent certain witnesses from testifying, can prevent certain lines of questioning, etc.  I believe in the Bill Cosby trial, there was a question as to how many, if any, alleged victims would be allowed to testify.  If memory serves, only one was permitted.  So in the impeachment, can witnesses or certain lines of questioning be prevented?  I would presume if they can, that it's the dems who control that.  When the trial moves to the senate, over which Justice Roberts will preside, will those types of issues come before him?  I know the GOP keeps talking about calling Hunter Biden and Joe Biden to testify, and their testimony is totally irrelevant.  Will the GOP be able to simply muddy the waters with irrelevant testimony?  And seems to me that if Hunter Biden and Joe Biden are forced to testify, that it will serve to accomplish what Trump was trying to accomplish from the get go...smearing Joe Biden, weakening him if he ends up being Trump's opponent.

    Let the Trumpists call the Bidens to testify. They watch them try to explain relevance. 

    I wish the Bidens would just say "bring it on" and go in there and throw it all on the table and explain the whole thing as it is.  He took a board position he probably wasn't qualified for, but so what, since it's not illegal.  It paid well, so he took it, and now he realizes it was a dumb idea and he wouldn't do it again if having the opportunity to turn back time.  Just be honest and say "Yes, it's probably not fair that they paid me to be on their board, but they did it and I didn't break laws and there was nothing else to it unless you have some kind of proposed crime you want to ask me about."  

    Ultimately, the GOP just throws the word "corruption" out there to upset the apple cart and people bite into that.  Nothing specific, just "corruption."  Come in there with about 100 examples of other unqualified celebs and political cronies that have gotten silly board positions and ask if that's all they got?  

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like the Bidens' playing coy with this makes them seem more guilty.  Just own it.

    Do you think they're playing coy?  Didn't Hunter go on the Today show and basically say just what you said?  I think if he does that again and again and again it would be worse...and it would also have them reacting to the Republicans, and I don't think you ever want them to think they control youl.

    Joe looked pretty silly yelling at that guy about it yesterday.  Just politely say the same thing over and over again until it's been stated a million times.  Just like in Trump world, once you say it a million times it becomes true whether it is or not.  Rather than yelling, Joe needs to repeat..."He took a board position.  His decision.  Zero involvement from me.  No laws broken.  No crimes committed.  No corruption.  Just took a position he was offered that paid him well.  Anyone would have taken it."  Something to that effect, over and over.  By avoiding talking about it, which I think they mostly have, it makes them seem like something is amiss.  I don't think anything really is amiss, but the perception is there.  Take a fucking one hour interview with Barb Walters and tell her she can spend the entire hour asking about it on national TV and then announce that you're done talking on it.  I get what you're saying.....don't let them control you.  It's like when the GOP forced Obama to show his fucking birth certificate, but doing it basically shut them up and kind of embarrassed them.

    I saw tweets about it, but I didn't play the video.  I do worry about Joe being confronted about Hunter, but more about his addiction and his child as proven by DNA, and apparently she was a stripper?  If you attack one of my kids, it would tear my heart out.  Certainly Joe worries about that kid everyday. The total hypocrisy of the Trump grifters tweeting about this given Trump's affinity for strippers and porn stars, but this seems to be one of those things where Rebublicans have no boundaries and the Dems do.  I couldn't have picked Jimmy Carter out of a line-up when he was president, since I didn't follow politics until Bush 41 screwed me over in my tax return, but I sure knew that Billy Carter was a raging alcoholic, and I knew that Roger Clinton was, too.  Neal Bush, however, gets one story about prostitutes in China, and the Bush family keeps him out of the limelight.  I don't know any democratic politician that ever tried to use that for political purposes.  Hunter Biden was not in the administration, unlike the Trump kids, who are, and the GOP has no problem attacking him.  The level that Trump has brought this country to is tragic.

    The thing with Trump is that his violation of norms is so egregious and so voluminous that nobody cares about any of it anymore.  It's all just a big pile of "Well, unless he killed someone, I've heard it all before so STFU."  There's seemingly nothing Trump can really do that will seem problematic or out of the norm.  He can get away with shit that would destroy anyone else.  He conducts business of the US on unsecure phone lines.  No biggie.  His kids use private email and messaging apps to conduct business with world leaders.  Whatever.  Nobody cares.  Hillary does it, put her in jail.  He can fuck porn stars and do whatever...no biggie.  Whatsername in California is the victim of revenge porn...gotta resign.  it's amazing, but I'm past even raising an eyebrow over it anymore.  Just used to it.

    And looks like Nikki Haley is all in on getting that VP slot.  She's backing the Confederate flag again!
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    Post by blondy28 Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:35 pm

    Impeachment is off.  The White House sent a letter to Jerry Nadler and said they're not participating.

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