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I. CAN'T. EVEN. Missouri has proposed a bill that would make it illegal to leave the state to get an abortion. Extremism on the left is universal healthcare or changing the gender on your birth certificate (which has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU), and the right is burning books, making it illegal to say "gay", etc. Gilead is looking at the GOP and saying "hold my beer". This is some fucked up shit.
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Not to be outdone...Idaho. WHAT THE FUCK?
https://twitter.com/erininthemorn/status/1501314842992467975?s=21&fbclid=IwAR0C1l9pIFX2BqlwDYmlJLapwgp1q1cwTmOL6Gj-YQFW7Bf3w1KG6ogjBjE
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This shit appeals to the nutty base, so plan on continuing to see it until either the base has a change of heart, or until there's a major cultural shift. I don't see either happening in our lifetimes.
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Yes, I'm going to keep "both sidesing". This whore is in the same camp as Traitor Carlson.
https://www.businessinsider.com/omar-says-shell-vote-against-russian-oil-ban-citing-impact-on-russians-2022-3
https://www.businessinsider.com/omar-says-shell-vote-against-russian-oil-ban-citing-impact-on-russians-2022-3
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alohafri wrote:Yes, I'm going to keep "both sidesing". This whore is in the same camp as Traitor Carlson.
https://www.businessinsider.com/omar-says-shell-vote-against-russian-oil-ban-citing-impact-on-russians-2022-3
Whore? Really?
Do I agree with her rationale? Yes. Pretty sure it's irrefutable fact that sanctions result in suffering of people who may not support the actions of their governments. Would I vote no based on that rationale? No. But she's stating fact. To compare her to Tucker Carlson and his nightly, dangerous commentary is absurd. Further, if you point to any comment here or there that you may consider out of the mainstream, a person here or there saying or believing something stupid is a a false equivalent. We've always had that. Racist Steve King. Rand Paul...just off the top of my head. 15 Republicans voted against the Russian oil ban, not because they believed it would be ineffective and would hurt innocent people, but because they wouldn't support it unless we addressed the Mexican border. That's fucking insanity. And what I posted about....those aren't outlier, extremist individuals. They are state legislatures and governors who overwhelmingly passed laws. They passed laws criminalizing loving parents for supporting and treating their children's transgenderism, punishable by DEATH. They're banning books. They're putting cameras in classrooms to make sure teachers remain unbiased and show "both sides" of the holocaust. No, Aloha...there's no "both sides".
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I can't say that I agree with Omar's line of reasoning, fully, but I see where she's coming from and she's laid out a logical rationale for why she votes NO on the oil embargo. I just happen to think her reasoning isn't enough to vote No. Can't say I think this makes her a whore or a terrible person. Just means she and I have ideological differences. Maybe there's some part of her reasoning that I missed that makes her a terrible person, or where her reasoning is actually evil in some realm, but I'm not seeing it. Seems to me like her position is coming from a place of compassion.
Considering the horrible state of political polarization and the general threat of malice and violence that seems to exist at the moment, I think it's probably time we all dial down some of name-calling of political actors and the poisonous hyperbole. That includes me. I need to be a better person.
Considering the horrible state of political polarization and the general threat of malice and violence that seems to exist at the moment, I think it's probably time we all dial down some of name-calling of political actors and the poisonous hyperbole. That includes me. I need to be a better person.
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She is more dangerous than Fucker Carlson. She is an elected official. Douchebag Carlson pontificates on a television program where he had to admit in court that it was an entertainment show in order to avoid a lawsuit.
So let her and the moron Republicans who voted against boycotting Russian oil (even in a symbolic vote) accept responsibility for the deaths at the hospital in Ukraine.
Tribalists are everywhere.
So let her and the moron Republicans who voted against boycotting Russian oil (even in a symbolic vote) accept responsibility for the deaths at the hospital in Ukraine.
Tribalists are everywhere.
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alohafri wrote:She is more dangerous than Fucker Carlson. She is an elected official. Douchebag Carlson pontificates on a television program where he had to admit in court that it was an entertainment show in order to avoid a lawsuit.
So let her and the moron Republicans who voted against boycotting Russian oil (even in a symbolic vote) accept responsibility for the deaths at the hospital in Ukraine.
Tribalists are everywhere.
Well, don't count me as a tribalist in this case. I already made it clear that I side with the general view on the Russian oil embargo. I just think she's trying to make an actual, fair point, even if it's a point I very much don't agree with her on. I view her point as similar to any point that a reasonable Repub would make about any random issue where I perhaps disagree....a guy like Romney or Sasse, for example. Now, if I were to find out there's something more to her opposition, whereby she's opposing for more than the reasons she notes and is instead trying to make some broader dumb-ass point, then I go from disagreeing with her to being disgusted with her. There are certainly going to be some types of sanctions that are within reason, and some that might be a bridge too far. Her line between those two things is different from your line and mine. I honestly empathize with the general public civilian-types in Russia (along with the Ukrainian people) who will suffer the most greatly from all of this, and will be lied to so much that they will actually believe that we are waging war on THEM, or that they are defending themselves against Ukrainian aggression. I mean, there has to be a line where we don't cross. I don't know what that line is, but it's pretty clear that Omar and you have a different opinion on where it is.
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And there's no way one person in the House is more dangerous than a person with the highest rated cable news tv show, who has the ears and minds of about 50 million armed citizens.
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Missouri now making it a felony to have an abortion on an ectopic pregnancy. For those not in the know, that's the #1 cause of maternal death in the first trimester. So they're giving women the choice of death or prison. But sure, Aloha...both sides.
https://house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills221/hlrbillspdf/5798H.01I.pdf
https://house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills221/hlrbillspdf/5798H.01I.pdf
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blondy28 wrote:Missouri now making it a felony to have an abortion on an ectopic pregnancy. For those not in the know, that's the #1 cause of maternal death in the first trimester. So they're giving women the choice of death or prison. But sure, Aloha...both sides.
https://house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills221/hlrbillspdf/5798H.01I.pdf
Yes both sides Kark. All you care about is the D behind their name in the same way that dumbass cared about the R behind their name. Two sides of the same coin.
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SoxIlliniRob wrote:And there's no way one person in the House is more dangerous than a person with the highest rated cable news tv show, who has the ears and minds of about 50 million armed citizens.
Those citizens are his echo chamber. They would be the same way whether that idiot was on the air or not.
Sorry Rob, but I put her in the same category as that Fred Flinstone-looking twat from Georgia, the lying cripple from South Carolina, and the gun gobbler married to the pedophile from Colorado. I guess Biden isn't far enough left for her, so she needed to have her own response to the State of the Union address to appease her socialist handlers. But she has something in common with them...they all voted against trying to stop Russian aggression. Keep feeding Putin's war machine! None of them represent the America I want to see.
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alohafri wrote:blondy28 wrote:Missouri now making it a felony to have an abortion on an ectopic pregnancy. For those not in the know, that's the #1 cause of maternal death in the first trimester. So they're giving women the choice of death or prison. But sure, Aloha...both sides.
https://house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills221/hlrbillspdf/5798H.01I.pdf
Yes both sides Kark. All you care about is the D behind their name in the same way that dumbass cared about the R behind their name. Two sides of the same coin.
Interesting how you say all that I care about is the D behind the name when I have no use for Joe Manchin, Kyrsten Sinema, Marie Newman, Dan Lipinski, and any number of D's. One might also observe that this thread is about issue/laws that are being passed. Perhaps if you weren't repeating talking points..."tribalism" is a word du jour, just like "woke"...your perspective would have more credibility. There is currently one ideology firing school administrators for reading kids books.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/butt-book-gets-assistant-principal-165658096.html
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alohafri wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:And there's no way one person in the House is more dangerous than a person with the highest rated cable news tv show, who has the ears and minds of about 50 million armed citizens.
Those citizens are his echo chamber. They would be the same way whether that idiot was on the air or not.
Sorry Rob, but I put her in the same category as that Fred Flinstone-looking twat from Georgia, the lying cripple from South Carolina, and the gun gobbler married to the pedophile from Colorado. I guess Biden isn't far enough left for her, so she needed to have her own response to the State of the Union address to appease her socialist handlers. But she has something in common with them...they all voted against trying to stop Russian aggression. Keep feeding Putin's war machine! None of them represent the America I want to see.
Well, I don't have a problem if you want to put Omar in the same class with MTG or Boebert. That's at least a viable comparison even if we don't agree that they are similar kinds of people. I just have a problem with thinking any person in the House has anywhere near the political power and sway of Carlson on Fox Propaganda. I'm beginning to wonder if the GOP is being led by its media arm or if the media arm is being led by the party.
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SoxIlliniRob wrote:alohafri wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:And there's no way one person in the House is more dangerous than a person with the highest rated cable news tv show, who has the ears and minds of about 50 million armed citizens.
Those citizens are his echo chamber. They would be the same way whether that idiot was on the air or not.
Sorry Rob, but I put her in the same category as that Fred Flinstone-looking twat from Georgia, the lying cripple from South Carolina, and the gun gobbler married to the pedophile from Colorado. I guess Biden isn't far enough left for her, so she needed to have her own response to the State of the Union address to appease her socialist handlers. But she has something in common with them...they all voted against trying to stop Russian aggression. Keep feeding Putin's war machine! None of them represent the America I want to see.
Well, I don't have a problem if you want to put Omar in the same class with MTG or Boebert. That's at least a viable comparison even if we don't agree that they are similar kinds of people. I just have a problem with thinking any person in the House has anywhere near the political power and sway of Carlson on Fox Propaganda. I'm beginning to wonder if the GOP is being led by its media arm or if the media arm is being led by the party.
What do you mean "similar kinds of people"?
Yes, Carlson has a lot of power. He has Aloha parroting the super scary word "socialism".
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alohafri wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:And there's no way one person in the House is more dangerous than a person with the highest rated cable news tv show, who has the ears and minds of about 50 million armed citizens.
Those citizens are his echo chamber. They would be the same way whether that idiot was on the air or not.
Sorry Rob, but I put her in the same category as that Fred Flinstone-looking twat from Georgia, the lying cripple from South Carolina, and the gun gobbler married to the pedophile from Colorado. I guess Biden isn't far enough left for her, so she needed to have her own response to the State of the Union address to appease her socialist handlers. But she has something in common with them...they all voted against trying to stop Russian aggression. Keep feeding Putin's war machine! None of them represent the America I want to see.
Do you have to be a complete white republican male stereotype? Ilhan Omar didn't have a response to the State of the Union. That was a different brown woman.
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blondy28 wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:alohafri wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:And there's no way one person in the House is more dangerous than a person with the highest rated cable news tv show, who has the ears and minds of about 50 million armed citizens.
Those citizens are his echo chamber. They would be the same way whether that idiot was on the air or not.
Sorry Rob, but I put her in the same category as that Fred Flinstone-looking twat from Georgia, the lying cripple from South Carolina, and the gun gobbler married to the pedophile from Colorado. I guess Biden isn't far enough left for her, so she needed to have her own response to the State of the Union address to appease her socialist handlers. But she has something in common with them...they all voted against trying to stop Russian aggression. Keep feeding Putin's war machine! None of them represent the America I want to see.
Well, I don't have a problem if you want to put Omar in the same class with MTG or Boebert. That's at least a viable comparison even if we don't agree that they are similar kinds of people. I just have a problem with thinking any person in the House has anywhere near the political power and sway of Carlson on Fox Propaganda. I'm beginning to wonder if the GOP is being led by its media arm or if the media arm is being led by the party.
What do you mean "similar kinds of people"?
Yes, Carlson has a lot of power. He has Aloha parroting the super scary word "socialism".
My point is simple...I can understand him holding her in the same regard as Boebert and MTG, but I don't see it that same way. I don't see her in the same light at all. I view MTG and Boebert as fucking ignoramuses. I view Omar as very smart but opinionated to a degree where she is sometimes too outspoken for her own good. Basically, all three of them are too outspoken for their own good at times, but only one of them is actually intelligent. I also think only one of those three is actually a good person.
I think I just laugh at anyone's use of "socialism." I stopped taking that seriously about 15 yrs ago. It's a scare word and the parts of our system that are ACTUALLY socialist are highly accepted, i.e. schools, military, fire, police.
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SoxIlliniRob wrote:blondy28 wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:alohafri wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:And there's no way one person in the House is more dangerous than a person with the highest rated cable news tv show, who has the ears and minds of about 50 million armed citizens.
Those citizens are his echo chamber. They would be the same way whether that idiot was on the air or not.
Sorry Rob, but I put her in the same category as that Fred Flinstone-looking twat from Georgia, the lying cripple from South Carolina, and the gun gobbler married to the pedophile from Colorado. I guess Biden isn't far enough left for her, so she needed to have her own response to the State of the Union address to appease her socialist handlers. But she has something in common with them...they all voted against trying to stop Russian aggression. Keep feeding Putin's war machine! None of them represent the America I want to see.
Well, I don't have a problem if you want to put Omar in the same class with MTG or Boebert. That's at least a viable comparison even if we don't agree that they are similar kinds of people. I just have a problem with thinking any person in the House has anywhere near the political power and sway of Carlson on Fox Propaganda. I'm beginning to wonder if the GOP is being led by its media arm or if the media arm is being led by the party.
What do you mean "similar kinds of people"?
Yes, Carlson has a lot of power. He has Aloha parroting the super scary word "socialism".
My point is simple...I can understand him holding her in the same regard as Boebert and MTG, but I don't see it that same way. I don't see her in the same light at all. I view MTG and Boebert as fucking ignoramuses. I view Omar as very smart but opinionated to a degree where she is sometimes too outspoken for her own good. Basically, all three of them are too outspoken for their own good at times, but only one of them is actually intelligent. I also think only one of those three is actually a good person.
I think I just laugh at anyone's use of "socialism." I stopped taking that seriously about 15 yrs ago. It's a scare word and the parts of our system that are ACTUALLY socialist are highly accepted, i.e. schools, military, fire, police.
Interesting fact, which demonstrates exactly how much influence Fox News has. Aloha has been going off on AOC, Ilhan Omar, and "the squad" since Fox News decided that they were the targets du jour. Do you know who ranks farther left than any of them? Jan Schakowsky. I mean, clearly she serves a district full of socialists looking for a free ride...you know, Wilmette, Winnetka, Kenilworth, etc. She won her last election with over 71% of the vote. I don't recall Aloha ever complaining about left wing extremist Jan Schakowsky. Wonder why.
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blondy28 wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:blondy28 wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:alohafri wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:And there's no way one person in the House is more dangerous than a person with the highest rated cable news tv show, who has the ears and minds of about 50 million armed citizens.
Those citizens are his echo chamber. They would be the same way whether that idiot was on the air or not.
Sorry Rob, but I put her in the same category as that Fred Flinstone-looking twat from Georgia, the lying cripple from South Carolina, and the gun gobbler married to the pedophile from Colorado. I guess Biden isn't far enough left for her, so she needed to have her own response to the State of the Union address to appease her socialist handlers. But she has something in common with them...they all voted against trying to stop Russian aggression. Keep feeding Putin's war machine! None of them represent the America I want to see.
Well, I don't have a problem if you want to put Omar in the same class with MTG or Boebert. That's at least a viable comparison even if we don't agree that they are similar kinds of people. I just have a problem with thinking any person in the House has anywhere near the political power and sway of Carlson on Fox Propaganda. I'm beginning to wonder if the GOP is being led by its media arm or if the media arm is being led by the party.
What do you mean "similar kinds of people"?
Yes, Carlson has a lot of power. He has Aloha parroting the super scary word "socialism".
My point is simple...I can understand him holding her in the same regard as Boebert and MTG, but I don't see it that same way. I don't see her in the same light at all. I view MTG and Boebert as fucking ignoramuses. I view Omar as very smart but opinionated to a degree where she is sometimes too outspoken for her own good. Basically, all three of them are too outspoken for their own good at times, but only one of them is actually intelligent. I also think only one of those three is actually a good person.
I think I just laugh at anyone's use of "socialism." I stopped taking that seriously about 15 yrs ago. It's a scare word and the parts of our system that are ACTUALLY socialist are highly accepted, i.e. schools, military, fire, police.
Interesting fact, which demonstrates exactly how much influence Fox News has. Aloha has been going off on AOC, Ilhan Omar, and "the squad" since Fox News decided that they were the targets du jour. Do you know who ranks farther left than any of them? Jan Schakowsky. I mean, clearly she serves a district full of socialists looking for a free ride...you know, Wilmette, Winnetka, Kenilworth, etc. She won her last election with over 71% of the vote. I don't recall Aloha ever complaining about left wing extremist Jan Schakowsky. Wonder why.
I think Jan flies under the radar for one. AOC and Omar are not afraid to go out and shout their views from the rooftops. I happen to love AOC. I think she's just a more or less regular ideology progressive who happens to be very loud and proud and it makes her seem like a nut, but she's just someone who's out there with a megaphone shouting her ideology instead of just quietly going about her business. AOC is made out by Fox Propaganda to be this insane nutjob and then I see her interviews and she's thoughtful, funny, nice and even self deprecating at times. I think that one of the main reasons that Fox can't stand her is that she's actually good at spelling out why she stands for her agenda. She makes a good case for progressivism....a way better case than many Dems and progressives. When I hear Biden or most moderate Dems talk about politics and issues, I think "Yeah, I agree." But when I hear AOC discussing the same issues, I think "fuckin-A right! I need to go into politics and take a stand!" I just believe she's an amazing communicator and a very quick wit on Twitter. She just demolishes her detractors. And yes, she occasionally gets over her skis a bit and goes a bit overboard but I believe that's not the norm.
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SoxIlliniRob wrote:blondy28 wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:blondy28 wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:alohafri wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:And there's no way one person in the House is more dangerous than a person with the highest rated cable news tv show, who has the ears and minds of about 50 million armed citizens.
Those citizens are his echo chamber. They would be the same way whether that idiot was on the air or not.
Sorry Rob, but I put her in the same category as that Fred Flinstone-looking twat from Georgia, the lying cripple from South Carolina, and the gun gobbler married to the pedophile from Colorado. I guess Biden isn't far enough left for her, so she needed to have her own response to the State of the Union address to appease her socialist handlers. But she has something in common with them...they all voted against trying to stop Russian aggression. Keep feeding Putin's war machine! None of them represent the America I want to see.
Well, I don't have a problem if you want to put Omar in the same class with MTG or Boebert. That's at least a viable comparison even if we don't agree that they are similar kinds of people. I just have a problem with thinking any person in the House has anywhere near the political power and sway of Carlson on Fox Propaganda. I'm beginning to wonder if the GOP is being led by its media arm or if the media arm is being led by the party.
What do you mean "similar kinds of people"?
Yes, Carlson has a lot of power. He has Aloha parroting the super scary word "socialism".
My point is simple...I can understand him holding her in the same regard as Boebert and MTG, but I don't see it that same way. I don't see her in the same light at all. I view MTG and Boebert as fucking ignoramuses. I view Omar as very smart but opinionated to a degree where she is sometimes too outspoken for her own good. Basically, all three of them are too outspoken for their own good at times, but only one of them is actually intelligent. I also think only one of those three is actually a good person.
I think I just laugh at anyone's use of "socialism." I stopped taking that seriously about 15 yrs ago. It's a scare word and the parts of our system that are ACTUALLY socialist are highly accepted, i.e. schools, military, fire, police.
Interesting fact, which demonstrates exactly how much influence Fox News has. Aloha has been going off on AOC, Ilhan Omar, and "the squad" since Fox News decided that they were the targets du jour. Do you know who ranks farther left than any of them? Jan Schakowsky. I mean, clearly she serves a district full of socialists looking for a free ride...you know, Wilmette, Winnetka, Kenilworth, etc. She won her last election with over 71% of the vote. I don't recall Aloha ever complaining about left wing extremist Jan Schakowsky. Wonder why.
I think Jan flies under the radar for one. AOC and Omar are not afraid to go out and shout their views from the rooftops. I happen to love AOC. I think she's just a more or less regular ideology progressive who happens to be very loud and proud and it makes her seem like a nut, but she's just someone who's out there with a megaphone shouting her ideology instead of just quietly going about her business. AOC is made out by Fox Propaganda to be this insane nutjob and then I see her interviews and she's thoughtful, funny, nice and even self deprecating at times. I think that one of the main reasons that Fox can't stand her is that she's actually good at spelling out why she stands for her agenda. She makes a good case for progressivism....a way better case than many Dems and progressives. When I hear Biden or most moderate Dems talk about politics and issues, I think "Yeah, I agree." But when I hear AOC discussing the same issues, I think "fuckin-A right! I need to go into politics and take a stand!" I just believe she's an amazing communicator and a very quick wit on Twitter. She just demolishes her detractors. And yes, she occasionally gets over her skis a bit and goes a bit overboard but I believe that's not the norm.
I'm not sure that AOC puts herself out there more than Jan...I just think the right made her a target. I'm not sure why they chose her. Fear, I assume. You don't see Katie Porter getting that kind of negative attention, and she and her white board are oustanding. I wonder if she would have flown a little under the radar if she hadn't knocked off the 2nd most powerful dem in the house. I see Jan "out there" many times. She goes to union protests. Jake's had his picture taken with her. When Peter Roskam wasn't having town halls, Jan stepped in and had on in Peter's district, which I attended. She has an amazing story. So she's out there. I think the issue with AOC is that she was an easy target for Fox. Won in a huge upset, attractive, smart. I think they assumed she'd make mistakes, because...you know...a pretty lady couldn't possibly be smart! I think Fox doesn't think going after Jan would resonate, simply because the demographic of her constituents. With AOC they could claim she wants free daycare and pre-K and that would be a huge issue for her constitutents...always looking for a handout. But Jan is in favor of all of those things too...and yet, they don't go after her. I think the "squad" being all women of color is another reason they're targeting them. And for Frank Luntz...I suspect whenever they decided that "woke" would be a talking point, they did so because the squad were younger, freshmen representatives. Then it took off on the right, which baffles the shit out of me...but you don't hear them referring to Jan as "woke". This is all just evidence that there's absolutely no parallel between Ilhan Omar, AOC, et al and MTG or Boebbert. The former are serious people who are trying to do important work.
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I'm not sure that AOC puts herself out there more than Jan...I just think the right made her a target. I'm not sure why they chose her. Fear, I assume. You don't see Katie Porter getting that kind of negative attention, and she and her white board are oustanding. I wonder if she would have flown a little under the radar if she hadn't knocked off the 2nd most powerful dem in the house. I see Jan "out there" many times. She goes to union protests. Jake's had his picture taken with her. When Peter Roskam wasn't having town halls, Jan stepped in and had on in Peter's district, which I attended. She has an amazing story. So she's out there. I think the issue with AOC is that she was an easy target for Fox. Won in a huge upset, attractive, smart. I think they assumed she'd make mistakes, because...you know...a pretty lady couldn't possibly be smart! I think Fox doesn't think going after Jan would resonate, simply because the demographic of her constituents. With AOC they could claim she wants free daycare and pre-K and that would be a huge issue for her constitutents...always looking for a handout. But Jan is in favor of all of those things too...and yet, they don't go after her. I think the "squad" being all women of color is another reason they're targeting them. And for Frank Luntz...I suspect whenever they decided that "woke" would be a talking point, they did so because the squad were younger, freshmen representatives. Then it took off on the right, which baffles the shit out of me...but you don't hear them referring to Jan as "woke". This is all just evidence that there's absolutely no parallel between Ilhan Omar, AOC, et al and MTG or Boebbert. The former are serious people who are trying to do important work.
Speaking of Porter, am I crazy to think she could make a presidential run? If the party heads were smart, they'd be doing everything in their power to elevate her status in CA somehow. Not sure what you could have her do....Senate? Governor? Whatever it is, she is truly fucking relatable and speaks to regular people. She's a mom who is smart and can spell out her views in plain-speak.
I don't disagree that the negative press for The Squad might be related to their noticeably darker skin. I'm not a person who likes to generously toss the R word around, so I tread lightly, but it's easy to notice that the R word might apply here, along with the S word (sexism).
AOC is truly OUT THERE on Twitter...in a good way. She is loud and omnipresent. 13 million followers. Jan has 54,000 followers. Aside from Trump, Biden and Obama, I'm not sure of any politician with more than 13 million followers. Can't imagine that there are many other House members with that many followers, reading and retweeting her message. She's also a very attractive, confident, and assertive woman of color who speaks with confidence and truly demolishes right wing talking points like a kid taking candy from a baby. She's just a very obvious target. People say she's stupid and naïve, but I think she's immensely smart and talented, but the naivety is occasionally a fair criticism.
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SoxIlliniRob wrote:blondy28 wrote:
I'm not sure that AOC puts herself out there more than Jan...I just think the right made her a target. I'm not sure why they chose her. Fear, I assume. You don't see Katie Porter getting that kind of negative attention, and she and her white board are oustanding. I wonder if she would have flown a little under the radar if she hadn't knocked off the 2nd most powerful dem in the house. I see Jan "out there" many times. She goes to union protests. Jake's had his picture taken with her. When Peter Roskam wasn't having town halls, Jan stepped in and had on in Peter's district, which I attended. She has an amazing story. So she's out there. I think the issue with AOC is that she was an easy target for Fox. Won in a huge upset, attractive, smart. I think they assumed she'd make mistakes, because...you know...a pretty lady couldn't possibly be smart! I think Fox doesn't think going after Jan would resonate, simply because the demographic of her constituents. With AOC they could claim she wants free daycare and pre-K and that would be a huge issue for her constitutents...always looking for a handout. But Jan is in favor of all of those things too...and yet, they don't go after her. I think the "squad" being all women of color is another reason they're targeting them. And for Frank Luntz...I suspect whenever they decided that "woke" would be a talking point, they did so because the squad were younger, freshmen representatives. Then it took off on the right, which baffles the shit out of me...but you don't hear them referring to Jan as "woke". This is all just evidence that there's absolutely no parallel between Ilhan Omar, AOC, et al and MTG or Boebbert. The former are serious people who are trying to do important work.
Speaking of Porter, am I crazy to think she could make a presidential run? If the party heads were smart, they'd be doing everything in their power to elevate her status in CA somehow. Not sure what you could have her do....Senate? Governor? Whatever it is, she is truly fucking relatable and speaks to regular people. She's a mom who is smart and can spell out her views in plain-speak.
I don't disagree that the negative press for The Squad might be related to their noticeably darker skin. I'm not a person who likes to generously toss the R word around, so I tread lightly, but it's easy to notice that the R word might apply here, along with the S word (sexism).
AOC is truly OUT THERE on Twitter...in a good way. She is loud and omnipresent. 13 million followers. Jan has 54,000 followers. Aside from Trump, Biden and Obama, I'm not sure of any politician with more than 13 million followers. Can't imagine that there are many other House members with that many followers, reading and retweeting her message. She's also a very attractive, confident, and assertive woman of color who speaks with confidence and truly demolishes right wing talking points like a kid taking candy from a baby. She's just a very obvious target. People say she's stupid and naïve, but I think she's immensely smart and talented, but the naivety is occasionally a fair criticism.
Of course AOC and Omar are on Twitter...and using it. I'm referring more to a media presence. Have you noticed that every time you blink, Raja is on some radio station or TV station, local and national? He's an attention whore. My daughter's best friend works for him, and he agrees incidentally. I rarely hear/see AOC on anything. Or Ilhan Omar. Or Rashida Tlaib. I get that social media allows people to get their message directly to their followers, but still. I probably see more tweets from AOC defending herself from Tucker. I'd be willing to bet that at least 50% of their followers are hate follows. I'll patiently wait to hear Jan Schakowsky referenced when people express concerns about left-wing extremism.
As to one of your earlier comments, with which I agreed...who's more dangerous, Ilhan Omar or Tucker. “It is essential to use as much as possible fragments of broadcasts of the popular Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who sharply criticizes the actions of the United States [and] NATO, their negative role in unleashing the conflict in Ukraine, [and] the defiantly provocative behavior from the leadership of the Western countries and NATO towards the Russian Federation and towards President Putin, personally,” "Russia is only protecting its interests and security.” : “And how would the US behave if such a situation developed in neighboring Mexico or Canada?” Tucker = Goebbels.
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blondy28 wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:blondy28 wrote:
I'm not sure that AOC puts herself out there more than Jan...I just think the right made her a target. I'm not sure why they chose her. Fear, I assume. You don't see Katie Porter getting that kind of negative attention, and she and her white board are oustanding. I wonder if she would have flown a little under the radar if she hadn't knocked off the 2nd most powerful dem in the house. I see Jan "out there" many times. She goes to union protests. Jake's had his picture taken with her. When Peter Roskam wasn't having town halls, Jan stepped in and had on in Peter's district, which I attended. She has an amazing story. So she's out there. I think the issue with AOC is that she was an easy target for Fox. Won in a huge upset, attractive, smart. I think they assumed she'd make mistakes, because...you know...a pretty lady couldn't possibly be smart! I think Fox doesn't think going after Jan would resonate, simply because the demographic of her constituents. With AOC they could claim she wants free daycare and pre-K and that would be a huge issue for her constitutents...always looking for a handout. But Jan is in favor of all of those things too...and yet, they don't go after her. I think the "squad" being all women of color is another reason they're targeting them. And for Frank Luntz...I suspect whenever they decided that "woke" would be a talking point, they did so because the squad were younger, freshmen representatives. Then it took off on the right, which baffles the shit out of me...but you don't hear them referring to Jan as "woke". This is all just evidence that there's absolutely no parallel between Ilhan Omar, AOC, et al and MTG or Boebbert. The former are serious people who are trying to do important work.
Speaking of Porter, am I crazy to think she could make a presidential run? If the party heads were smart, they'd be doing everything in their power to elevate her status in CA somehow. Not sure what you could have her do....Senate? Governor? Whatever it is, she is truly fucking relatable and speaks to regular people. She's a mom who is smart and can spell out her views in plain-speak.
I don't disagree that the negative press for The Squad might be related to their noticeably darker skin. I'm not a person who likes to generously toss the R word around, so I tread lightly, but it's easy to notice that the R word might apply here, along with the S word (sexism).
AOC is truly OUT THERE on Twitter...in a good way. She is loud and omnipresent. 13 million followers. Jan has 54,000 followers. Aside from Trump, Biden and Obama, I'm not sure of any politician with more than 13 million followers. Can't imagine that there are many other House members with that many followers, reading and retweeting her message. She's also a very attractive, confident, and assertive woman of color who speaks with confidence and truly demolishes right wing talking points like a kid taking candy from a baby. She's just a very obvious target. People say she's stupid and naïve, but I think she's immensely smart and talented, but the naivety is occasionally a fair criticism.
Of course AOC and Omar are on Twitter...and using it. I'm referring more to a media presence. Have you noticed that every time you blink, Raja is on some radio station or TV station, local and national? He's an attention whore. My daughter's best friend works for him, and he agrees incidentally. I rarely hear/see AOC on anything. Or Ilhan Omar. Or Rashida Tlaib. I get that social media allows people to get their message directly to their followers, but still. I probably see more tweets from AOC defending herself from Tucker. I'd be willing to bet that at least 50% of their followers are hate follows. I'll patiently wait to hear Jan Schakowsky referenced when people express concerns about left-wing extremism.
As to one of your earlier comments, with which I agreed...who's more dangerous, Ilhan Omar or Tucker. “It is essential to use as much as possible fragments of broadcasts of the popular Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who sharply criticizes the actions of the United States [and] NATO, their negative role in unleashing the conflict in Ukraine, [and] the defiantly provocative behavior from the leadership of the Western countries and NATO towards the Russian Federation and towards President Putin, personally,” "Russia is only protecting its interests and security.” : “And how would the US behave if such a situation developed in neighboring Mexico or Canada?” Tucker = Goebbels.
There is nothing Omar can possibly say that would come within miles of the damage that asshole Carlson is doing nightly on Fox by giving Putin propaganda to play 24/7 on state television in Russia. These citizens in Russia believe this shit that Russia is trying to free and liberate Ukraine from Nazis. And now they think we agree with them because of this shit.
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Considering the horrible state of political polarization and the general threat of malice and violence that seems to exist at the moment, I think it's probably time we all dial down some of name-calling of political actors and the poisonous hyperbole. That includes me. I need to be a better person.
Going hog wild and derelict when you're taking sides in the battle of Gerald Ford vs Jimmy Carter is inappropriate and detrimental to America. Taking sides and not being a nice person in 1933 Germany when you are trying to squelch the budding 3rd Reich and complete fascism, is another thing all together. By you "becoming a nicer person" you are enabling the Donald Trumps and Tucker Carlsons of the world to proliferate and win. Unless you are as naive as the DNC who for decades now have "gone high" thinking the GOP will go high as well. With your philosophy, all is lost.
Going hog wild and derelict when you're taking sides in the battle of Gerald Ford vs Jimmy Carter is inappropriate and detrimental to America. Taking sides and not being a nice person in 1933 Germany when you are trying to squelch the budding 3rd Reich and complete fascism, is another thing all together. By you "becoming a nicer person" you are enabling the Donald Trumps and Tucker Carlsons of the world to proliferate and win. Unless you are as naive as the DNC who for decades now have "gone high" thinking the GOP will go high as well. With your philosophy, all is lost.
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blondy28 wrote:Missouri now making it a felony to have an abortion on an ectopic pregnancy. For those not in the know, that's the #1 cause of maternal death in the first trimester. So they're giving women the choice of death or prison. But sure, Aloha...both sides.
https://house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills221/hlrbillspdf/5798H.01I.pdf
Since an ectopic pregnancy is a surgical emergency involving a non-viable fetus which if not removed leads to death of the mother (there is no living fetus in an ectopic pregnancy so technically not an abortion), there will be a lot of women and ethical physicians, going to jail. But for years I've argued that the reason the GOP is against any kind of medicaid or national health insurance is precisely for this reason - they want people who are uninsured or poor to be refused health care in emergencies. Rand Paul's father said as much in a presidential debate when he ran - when he was asked what should happen to un-insured people coming to the ED and he mumbled around and inferred - let 'em die. So the GOP is right on track.
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