For the Fanboys of the White Sox
blondy28 wrote:He's hot garbage. Leadoff man got on every inning. Everyone takes counts deep against him. He just flat out sucks if he's not facing Milwaukee.
blondy28 wrote:He's hot garbage. Leadoff man got on every inning. Everyone takes counts deep against him. He just flat out sucks if he's not facing Milwaukee.
alohafri wrote:blondy28 wrote:He's hot garbage. Leadoff man got on every inning. Everyone takes counts deep against him. He just flat out sucks if he's not facing Milwaukee.
No take backs!
blondy28 wrote:alohafri wrote:blondy28 wrote:He's hot garbage. Leadoff man got on every inning. Everyone takes counts deep against him. He just flat out sucks if he's not facing Milwaukee.
No take backs!
On the bet...or the horrible trade? Cuz I'd really like to take Eloy back.
SoxIlliniRob wrote:After two months, or 1/3, of the season.
6 wins (on track for 17 or 18)
7-4 in games he starts. Team with a .636 Win Pct in his starts.
ERA starting to come back toward his norm.
I'm not sold on believing he's still the same guy he's always been. Just seems more hittable in the past year or two.
blondy28 wrote:SoxIlliniRob wrote:After two months, or 1/3, of the season.
6 wins (on track for 17 or 18)
7-4 in games he starts. Team with a .636 Win Pct in his starts.
ERA starting to come back toward his norm.
I'm not sold on believing he's still the same guy he's always been. Just seems more hittable in the past year or two.
Thank Cubs' bats for that. Yesterday he twice barely got over to cover first, so his defense sucks. And he can't hit.
sharpy wrote:Knowing how well Quintana used to pitch in the 2nd half, I'm not worried yet. I probably shouldn't have bet on the team winning the game bc of the Cub bats, but thru the years Q hasn't let me down so I'm still confident.
That's on the Cubs, just as so many of his NDs were on Sox.blondy28 wrote:sharpy wrote:Knowing how well Quintana used to pitch in the 2nd half, I'm not worried yet. I probably shouldn't have bet on the team winning the game bc of the Cub bats, but thru the years Q hasn't let me down so I'm still confident.
You're right. Cubs won on a Heyward walk-off granny last night. No decision for Quintana.
frank bonifacic wrote:That's on the Cubs, just as so many of his NDs were on Sox.blondy28 wrote:sharpy wrote:Knowing how well Quintana used to pitch in the 2nd half, I'm not worried yet. I probably shouldn't have bet on the team winning the game bc of the Cub bats, but thru the years Q hasn't let me down so I'm still confident.
You're right. Cubs won on a Heyward walk-off granny last night. No decision for Quintana.
Seems to be doing quite well of late!
don't think you'll regret the trade
I see where the Sox bamboozled the Red Sox also. Got Moncada and (forget pitcher's name-senior moment) for that scrub Sale. He lost again last night and is now 5-4. Another piece of hot garbage the Sox were able to dump on unsuspecting Red Sox!blondy28 wrote:frank bonifacic wrote:That's on the Cubs, just as so many of his NDs were on Sox.blondy28 wrote:sharpy wrote:Knowing how well Quintana used to pitch in the 2nd half, I'm not worried yet. I probably shouldn't have bet on the team winning the game bc of the Cub bats, but thru the years Q hasn't let me down so I'm still confident.
You're right. Cubs won on a Heyward walk-off granny last night. No decision for Quintana.
Seems to be doing quite well of late!
don't think you'll regret the trade
I have regretted the trade since it happened, and nothing has made me change that opinion...certainly now how well Eloy is doing. Quintana got a lot of ND's that would have been losses if the Cubs didn't bail his ass out. He started his last game as he often does...going deep into a count and walking the lead-off man. As long as we just have him pitch against Milwaukee, we'll be fine. The point of my post is that Sharpy will likely lose the bet because of the team winning games when Quintana pitches...even if it means scoring 9 runs in the bottom of the 8th to do it.
4 hits in 6 innings -and not a factor? The Cubs could certainly have tried to score more than ONE run in the first seven innings.blondy28 wrote:Cubs win another one. Q doesn't factor.
blondy28 wrote:Cubs win another one. Q doesn't factor.
SoxIlliniRob wrote:blondy28 wrote:Cubs win another one. Q doesn't factor.
Pam. That's absurd. Flat out absurd. There's a reason they call it a "quality" start and a reason why they place value on such a start. The Cubs ARE allowed to score 3 runs in the first 6 innings and render Q as having been a factor. Holding a first place team to two runs in 6 innings is valuable in the MLB. I don't say this to tout Q. Seems to me he's fallen off a bit from his better days, but his ERA is slowly creeping toward his norms, and his norms are VERY strong in terms of WAR, typical ERA, quality starts. As I have always said, he's a #1 on a non-playoff team, a #2 on a playoff team, and a #3 on a WS contender. A World Series team DOES need a #3, last time I checked.
EDGE Analysis
Sanchez put together his second straight quality start although there was plenty of traffic on the bases Saturday. The 25-year-old now has a 4.33 ERA and 1.50 WHIP with 58 strikeouts over 72.2 innings, and is next scheduled to start against the Nationals on Friday.
EDGE Analysis
With Adam Wainwright (elbow) placed on the disabled list earlier in the day, Flaherty pitched admirably filling in the vacated rotation spot. The 22-year-old didn't allow a baserunner past first base through 5.2 innings until allowing consecutive hits to the final three batters he faced. In three starts in the majors this year, Flaherty has struck out 14 in 15.2 innings to go along with a 2.87 ERA. Though no official announcement has been made regarding Flaherty's status in the rotation, he'd next be lined up to pitch Sunday against the Phillies if he does take another turn.
blondy28 wrote:
Perhaps I'm misusing the term, but I have always thought that "did not factor" meant the same as "no decision". No??? My post was a scorecard for the bet....it's a tally for the Cubs having won, but not a tally for a Q win.
SoxIlliniRob wrote:blondy28 wrote:
Perhaps I'm misusing the term, but I have always thought that "did not factor" meant the same as "no decision". No??? My post was a scorecard for the bet....it's a tally for the Cubs having won, but not a tally for a Q win.
Our (Tim's and my bet) friendly bet was either that Q would win 15 games, or that the Cubs would win 60% of his starts. I merely said I expected him to be a 15 game winner with the Cubs due to their offense being so much better than the Sox of the last 5 yrs. The Cubs didn't win BECAUSE of Q yesterday, but it can be said that because of Q they were in a position to win. If you have offense, you need pitchers that can give you that.
Notice no comment from you when Cubs lose game for Q.frank bonifacic wrote:That's on the Cubs, just as so many of his NDs were on Sox.blondy28 wrote:sharpy wrote:Knowing how well Quintana used to pitch in the 2nd half, I'm not worried yet. I probably shouldn't have bet on the team winning the game bc of the Cub bats, but thru the years Q hasn't let me down so I'm still confident.
You're right. Cubs won on a Heyward walk-off granny last night. No decision for Quintana.
Seems to be doing quite well of late!
don't think you'll regret the trade
frank bonifacic wrote:Notice no comment from you when Cubs lose game for Q.frank bonifacic wrote:That's on the Cubs, just as so many of his NDs were on Sox.blondy28 wrote:sharpy wrote:Knowing how well Quintana used to pitch in the 2nd half, I'm not worried yet. I probably shouldn't have bet on the team winning the game bc of the Cub bats, but thru the years Q hasn't let me down so I'm still confident.
You're right. Cubs won on a Heyward walk-off granny last night. No decision for Quintana.
Seems to be doing quite well of late!
don't think you'll regret the trade
Sunday, 2 on, no one out. Russell gets ground ball and should go for force at 3rd. Instead he bounces throw to Rizzo and batter is safe (they give him hit)
Now, bases loaded and double play. Run scores and then hit and 2nd run scores.
So, if Russell makes right play, Q is out of the inning with NO runs scored. Instead he gets the loss.
BTW; Q has given up 2 runs or less in 8 of his last 10 starts! Not bad.
2 runs or lessen 8 of last 10 would indicate that 60 pitches in 2 innings would be an anomaly.blondy28 wrote:frank bonifacic wrote:Notice no comment from you when Cubs lose game for Q.frank bonifacic wrote:That's on the Cubs, just as so many of his NDs were on Sox.blondy28 wrote:sharpy wrote:Knowing how well Quintana used to pitch in the 2nd half, I'm not worried yet. I probably shouldn't have bet on the team winning the game bc of the Cub bats, but thru the years Q hasn't let me down so I'm still confident.
You're right. Cubs won on a Heyward walk-off granny last night. No decision for Quintana.
Seems to be doing quite well of late!
don't think you'll regret the trade
Sunday, 2 on, no one out. Russell gets ground ball and should go for force at 3rd. Instead he bounces throw to Rizzo and batter is safe (they give him hit)
Now, bases loaded and double play. Run scores and then hit and 2nd run scores.
So, if Russell makes right play, Q is out of the inning with NO runs scored. Instead he gets the loss.
BTW; Q has given up 2 runs or less in 8 of his last 10 starts! Not bad.
I didn't watch the game. Went to sleep at 7:00 on Sunday and Monday. But yeah, Q is a victim, for sure. Even when he throws 60 pitches through 2 innings it's the catcher's fault. I'm glad we don't have Eloy anymore.
sharpy wrote:Our (Tim's and my bet) friendly bet was either that Q would win 15 games, or that the Cubs would win 60% of his starts. I merely said I expected him to be a 15 game winner with the Cubs due to their offense being so much better than the Sox of the last 5 yrs. The Cubs didn't win BECAUSE of Q yesterday, but it can be said that because of Q they were in a position to win. If you have offense, you need pitchers that can give you that.
I'd double the bet he's not winning 15 games ...but the cubs might win 60% of his starts .. but that's ok, I still think that's a fair bet ..but I thought it was for $100 ….must have been dreaming that
frank bonifacic wrote:Notice no comment from you when Cubs lose game for Q.frank bonifacic wrote:That's on the Cubs, just as so many of his NDs were on Sox.blondy28 wrote:sharpy wrote:Knowing how well Quintana used to pitch in the 2nd half, I'm not worried yet. I probably shouldn't have bet on the team winning the game bc of the Cub bats, but thru the years Q hasn't let me down so I'm still confident.
You're right. Cubs won on a Heyward walk-off granny last night. No decision for Quintana.
Seems to be doing quite well of late!
don't think you'll regret the trade
Sunday, 2 on, no one out. Russell gets ground ball and should go for force at 3rd. Instead he bounces throw to Rizzo and batter is safe (they give him hit)
Now, bases loaded and double play. Run scores and then hit and 2nd run scores.
So, if Russell makes right play, Q is out of the inning with NO runs scored. Instead he gets the loss.
BTW; Q has given up 2 runs or less in 8 of his last 10 starts! Not bad.
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