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alohafri wrote:

blondy28 wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

blondy28 wrote:Does Q make it out of the second inning?  Sox fans must be laughing their asses off watching him and knowing how they scammed the Cubs into taking him and trading their best prospect for this garbage.

Geez, you're a tough grader.  He's definitely not the guy he has been in prior seasons, and yes, we're glad about the trade, but he got out of that inning nicely.  He's had some decent outings as of late.  Let's face it...he's a guy that gives you probably two decent to good starts in every three.  The third one is often a clunker.  Calling a guy like that "Garbage" is pretty harsh.

I wouldn't put him in the playoff rotation.  Go with a 3-man rotation.  If you go with a 4-man, start Montgomery.

You have to put him in the playoffs the way pitching goes now. Four innings then bring on the bullpen! Weeeeee!

sharpy wrote:Figuring that Q has one more start this year, he is currently 13-11 so its impossible for him to win 15, and the Cubs are currently 17-13 in games he has started, so even if they win the next game, and go 18-13, that comes to 58%.....oh no …..even if he gets 2 starts, and the Cubs win both and go 19-13, that's 0.59375, or at best, 59%.....and we would split 

SoxIlliniRob wrote:They would have a playoff to figure out who the division winner is.  Neither wants the wild card.

SoxIlliniRob wrote:They would have a playoff to figure out who the division winner is.  Neither wants the wild card.

blondy28 wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:They would have a playoff to figure out who the division winner is.  Neither wants the wild card.

Kinda what I figured but was too lazy to look it up.  

So here's the question.  Cubs have to do a one-game playoff...do you pitch Q?  I suppose with his success against Milwaukee, that makes the most sense.  But what about this scenario.  Let's say Cubs lose next two and Milwaukee wins next two and Cubs end up with the wild card.  Do you start Q against who I assume will be Kershaw?  I'm saying hell no.

sharpy wrote:Figuring that Q has one more start this year, he is currently 13-11 so its impossible for him to win 15, and the Cubs are currently 17-13 in games he has started, so even if they win the next game, and go 18-13, that comes to 58%.....oh no …..even if he gets 2 starts, and the Cubs win both and go 19-13, that's 0.59375, or at best, 59%.....and we would split 

sharpy wrote:I'd have to figure it out but eyeballing it he could win his 15 and my push the Cubs over 60%. I knew I should have gone for 67%- damn

sharpy wrote:Quintana pitched pretty well Monday, but again, doesn't win. 
Is the season a bust if they lose to Colorado? Are they on the verge of being a one season wonder ala the 85 Bears?  Are shorts getting tight in the clubhouse?  And finally, why don't more hitters bunt or steal on Lester since he's a whack job who can't throw to first? 

sharpy wrote:The Cubs are young and talented and should be in the WS conversation for years to come.



Near the bottom in offense in the last month. Can't wait until the waste $400 million in Bryce over-hyped Harper this winter. He'll make the Hayward signing look a lot better. Lester getting older. Hendricks had a lously year. Q being Q for a few more years until they sign him for big bucks and make the Harper trade look good. Atlanta if the 90s has one superstar position player, Chipper Jones and 3 HOF starting pitchers- that's not the Cubs. These Cubs are the 1968-74 Cubs. If not for the expanded playoffs, how good are they? Top it all off, they have the most overrated manager in baseball- who almost blew the one series they did win. 

sharpy wrote:The Cubs are young and talented and should be in the WS conversation for years to come.



Near the bottom in offense in the last month. Can't wait until the waste $400 million in Bryce over-hyped Harper this winter. He'll make the Hayward signing look a lot better. Lester getting older. Hendricks had a lously year. Q being Q for a few more years until they sign him for big bucks and make the Harper trade look good. Atlanta if the 90s has one superstar position player, Chipper Jones and 3 HOF starting pitchers- that's not the Cubs. These Cubs are the 1968-74 Cubs. If not for the expanded playoffs, how good are they? Top it all off, they have the most overrated manager in baseball- who almost blew the one series they did win. 

blondy28 wrote:

sharpy wrote:The Cubs are young and talented and should be in the WS conversation for years to come.



Near the bottom in offense in the last month. Can't wait until the waste $400 million in Bryce over-hyped Harper this winter. He'll make the Hayward signing look a lot better. Lester getting older. Hendricks had a lously year. Q being Q for a few more years until they sign him for big bucks and make the Harper trade look good. Atlanta if the 90s has one superstar position player, Chipper Jones and 3 HOF starting pitchers- that's not the Cubs. These Cubs are the 1968-74 Cubs. If not for the expanded playoffs, how good are they? Top it all off, they have the most overrated manager in baseball- who almost blew the one series they did win. 

The expanded playoff has nothing to do with how good a team is.  Before the expansion, you often had some of the best teams in baseball not make the playoffs.  In 2015, the Cubs, Pirates and St. Louis had the 3 best records in all of baseball, with no American League team having a record better than the 3.  In 2016, the Cubs had the best records in all of baseball.  Cubs won their division in 2017...nothing to do with expanded playoffs.  In 2018, the Cubs had the 2nd best record in the NL, and it took an extra game to decide that.  To say that the Cubs (or any team) haven't been good because of expanded playoffs is patently absurd.  Hell...you just listed some absolutely horrific statistics, yet the Cubs have the 2nd best record in the NL!!!!  If you think this team isn't built to be competitive and in the WS conversation year after year, then you simply have your Hawkaroo glasses on.

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

blondy28 wrote:

sharpy wrote:The Cubs are young and talented and should be in the WS conversation for years to come.



Near the bottom in offense in the last month. Can't wait until the waste $400 million in Bryce over-hyped Harper this winter. He'll make the Hayward signing look a lot better. Lester getting older. Hendricks had a lously year. Q being Q for a few more years until they sign him for big bucks and make the Harper trade look good. Atlanta if the 90s has one superstar position player, Chipper Jones and 3 HOF starting pitchers- that's not the Cubs. These Cubs are the 1968-74 Cubs. If not for the expanded playoffs, how good are they? Top it all off, they have the most overrated manager in baseball- who almost blew the one series they did win. 

The expanded playoff has nothing to do with how good a team is.  Before the expansion, you often had some of the best teams in baseball not make the playoffs.  In 2015, the Cubs, Pirates and St. Louis had the 3 best records in all of baseball, with no American League team having a record better than the 3.  In 2016, the Cubs had the best records in all of baseball.  Cubs won their division in 2017...nothing to do with expanded playoffs.  In 2018, the Cubs had the 2nd best record in the NL, and it took an extra game to decide that.  To say that the Cubs (or any team) haven't been good because of expanded playoffs is patently absurd.  Hell...you just listed some absolutely horrific statistics, yet the Cubs have the 2nd best record in the NL!!!!  If you think this team isn't built to be competitive and in the WS conversation year after year, then you simply have your Hawkaroo glasses on.

They just seemed not to click this year.  There is a significant need for better pitching and for their offense to get more on track.  Hard to understand what went wrong with the offense.  They have a bunch of solid hitters, and even Hayward was improved.  They got more out of Baez than most people expected.  Bryant fell off significantly.  Not quite sure what's wrong with them, but when you have Rizzo leading off here and there, then there's clearly something out of whack with the offense.

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

blondy28 wrote:

sharpy wrote:The Cubs are young and talented and should be in the WS conversation for years to come.



Near the bottom in offense in the last month. Can't wait until the waste $400 million in Bryce over-hyped Harper this winter. He'll make the Hayward signing look a lot better. Lester getting older. Hendricks had a lously year. Q being Q for a few more years until they sign him for big bucks and make the Harper trade look good. Atlanta if the 90s has one superstar position player, Chipper Jones and 3 HOF starting pitchers- that's not the Cubs. These Cubs are the 1968-74 Cubs. If not for the expanded playoffs, how good are they? Top it all off, they have the most overrated manager in baseball- who almost blew the one series they did win. 

The expanded playoff has nothing to do with how good a team is.  Before the expansion, you often had some of the best teams in baseball not make the playoffs.  In 2015, the Cubs, Pirates and St. Louis had the 3 best records in all of baseball, with no American League team having a record better than the 3.  In 2016, the Cubs had the best records in all of baseball.  Cubs won their division in 2017...nothing to do with expanded playoffs.  In 2018, the Cubs had the 2nd best record in the NL, and it took an extra game to decide that.  To say that the Cubs (or any team) haven't been good because of expanded playoffs is patently absurd.  Hell...you just listed some absolutely horrific statistics, yet the Cubs have the 2nd best record in the NL!!!!  If you think this team isn't built to be competitive and in the WS conversation year after year, then you simply have your Hawkaroo glasses on.

They just seemed not to click this year.  There is a significant need for better pitching and for their offense to get more on track.  Hard to understand what went wrong with the offense.  They have a bunch of solid hitters, and even Hayward was improved.  They got more out of Baez than most people expected.  Bryant fell off significantly.  Not quite sure what's wrong with them, but when you have Rizzo leading off here and there, then there's clearly something out of whack with the offense.

alohafri wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

blondy28 wrote:

sharpy wrote:The Cubs are young and talented and should be in the WS conversation for years to come.



Near the bottom in offense in the last month. Can't wait until the waste $400 million in Bryce over-hyped Harper this winter. He'll make the Hayward signing look a lot better. Lester getting older. Hendricks had a lously year. Q being Q for a few more years until they sign him for big bucks and make the Harper trade look good. Atlanta if the 90s has one superstar position player, Chipper Jones and 3 HOF starting pitchers- that's not the Cubs. These Cubs are the 1968-74 Cubs. If not for the expanded playoffs, how good are they? Top it all off, they have the most overrated manager in baseball- who almost blew the one series they did win. 

The expanded playoff has nothing to do with how good a team is.  Before the expansion, you often had some of the best teams in baseball not make the playoffs.  In 2015, the Cubs, Pirates and St. Louis had the 3 best records in all of baseball, with no American League team having a record better than the 3.  In 2016, the Cubs had the best records in all of baseball.  Cubs won their division in 2017...nothing to do with expanded playoffs.  In 2018, the Cubs had the 2nd best record in the NL, and it took an extra game to decide that.  To say that the Cubs (or any team) haven't been good because of expanded playoffs is patently absurd.  Hell...you just listed some absolutely horrific statistics, yet the Cubs have the 2nd best record in the NL!!!!  If you think this team isn't built to be competitive and in the WS conversation year after year, then you simply have your Hawkaroo glasses on.

They just seemed not to click this year.  There is a significant need for better pitching and for their offense to get more on track.  Hard to understand what went wrong with the offense.  They have a bunch of solid hitters, and even Hayward was improved.  They got more out of Baez than most people expected.  Bryant fell off significantly.  Not quite sure what's wrong with them, but when you have Rizzo leading off here and there, then there's clearly something out of whack with the offense.

But it was so coooool to see Rizzo leading off! That's Maddon thinking outside of the box!

alohafri wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

blondy28 wrote:

sharpy wrote:The Cubs are young and talented and should be in the WS conversation for years to come.



Near the bottom in offense in the last month. Can't wait until the waste $400 million in Bryce over-hyped Harper this winter. He'll make the Hayward signing look a lot better. Lester getting older. Hendricks had a lously year. Q being Q for a few more years until they sign him for big bucks and make the Harper trade look good. Atlanta if the 90s has one superstar position player, Chipper Jones and 3 HOF starting pitchers- that's not the Cubs. These Cubs are the 1968-74 Cubs. If not for the expanded playoffs, how good are they? Top it all off, they have the most overrated manager in baseball- who almost blew the one series they did win. 

The expanded playoff has nothing to do with how good a team is.  Before the expansion, you often had some of the best teams in baseball not make the playoffs.  In 2015, the Cubs, Pirates and St. Louis had the 3 best records in all of baseball, with no American League team having a record better than the 3.  In 2016, the Cubs had the best records in all of baseball.  Cubs won their division in 2017...nothing to do with expanded playoffs.  In 2018, the Cubs had the 2nd best record in the NL, and it took an extra game to decide that.  To say that the Cubs (or any team) haven't been good because of expanded playoffs is patently absurd.  Hell...you just listed some absolutely horrific statistics, yet the Cubs have the 2nd best record in the NL!!!!  If you think this team isn't built to be competitive and in the WS conversation year after year, then you simply have your Hawkaroo glasses on.

They just seemed not to click this year.  There is a significant need for better pitching and for their offense to get more on track.  Hard to understand what went wrong with the offense.  They have a bunch of solid hitters, and even Hayward was improved.  They got more out of Baez than most people expected.  Bryant fell off significantly.  Not quite sure what's wrong with them, but when you have Rizzo leading off here and there, then there's clearly something out of whack with the offense.

But it was so coooool to see Rizzo leading off! That's Maddon thinking outside of the box!

jaywit wrote:

alohafri wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

blondy28 wrote:

sharpy wrote:The Cubs are young and talented and should be in the WS conversation for years to come.



Near the bottom in offense in the last month. Can't wait until the waste $400 million in Bryce over-hyped Harper this winter. He'll make the Hayward signing look a lot better. Lester getting older. Hendricks had a lously year. Q being Q for a few more years until they sign him for big bucks and make the Harper trade look good. Atlanta if the 90s has one superstar position player, Chipper Jones and 3 HOF starting pitchers- that's not the Cubs. These Cubs are the 1968-74 Cubs. If not for the expanded playoffs, how good are they? Top it all off, they have the most overrated manager in baseball- who almost blew the one series they did win. 

The expanded playoff has nothing to do with how good a team is.  Before the expansion, you often had some of the best teams in baseball not make the playoffs.  In 2015, the Cubs, Pirates and St. Louis had the 3 best records in all of baseball, with no American League team having a record better than the 3.  In 2016, the Cubs had the best records in all of baseball.  Cubs won their division in 2017...nothing to do with expanded playoffs.  In 2018, the Cubs had the 2nd best record in the NL, and it took an extra game to decide that.  To say that the Cubs (or any team) haven't been good because of expanded playoffs is patently absurd.  Hell...you just listed some absolutely horrific statistics, yet the Cubs have the 2nd best record in the NL!!!!  If you think this team isn't built to be competitive and in the WS conversation year after year, then you simply have your Hawkaroo glasses on.

They just seemed not to click this year.  There is a significant need for better pitching and for their offense to get more on track.  Hard to understand what went wrong with the offense.  They have a bunch of solid hitters, and even Hayward was improved.  They got more out of Baez than most people expected.  Bryant fell off significantly.  Not quite sure what's wrong with them, but when you have Rizzo leading off here and there, then there's clearly something out of whack with the offense.

But it was so coooool to see Rizzo leading off! That's Maddon thinking outside of the box!

Last night was the first I saw of the Cubs this year.  Bryant looked like a different hitter than I've seen.  Totally over-matched, not even close on many pitches.

blondy28 wrote:

jaywit wrote:

alohafri wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

blondy28 wrote:

sharpy wrote:The Cubs are young and talented and should be in the WS conversation for years to come.



Near the bottom in offense in the last month. Can't wait until the waste $400 million in Bryce over-hyped Harper this winter. He'll make the Hayward signing look a lot better. Lester getting older. Hendricks had a lously year. Q being Q for a few more years until they sign him for big bucks and make the Harper trade look good. Atlanta if the 90s has one superstar position player, Chipper Jones and 3 HOF starting pitchers- that's not the Cubs. These Cubs are the 1968-74 Cubs. If not for the expanded playoffs, how good are they? Top it all off, they have the most overrated manager in baseball- who almost blew the one series they did win. 

The expanded playoff has nothing to do with how good a team is.  Before the expansion, you often had some of the best teams in baseball not make the playoffs.  In 2015, the Cubs, Pirates and St. Louis had the 3 best records in all of baseball, with no American League team having a record better than the 3.  In 2016, the Cubs had the best records in all of baseball.  Cubs won their division in 2017...nothing to do with expanded playoffs.  In 2018, the Cubs had the 2nd best record in the NL, and it took an extra game to decide that.  To say that the Cubs (or any team) haven't been good because of expanded playoffs is patently absurd.  Hell...you just listed some absolutely horrific statistics, yet the Cubs have the 2nd best record in the NL!!!!  If you think this team isn't built to be competitive and in the WS conversation year after year, then you simply have your Hawkaroo glasses on.

They just seemed not to click this year.  There is a significant need for better pitching and for their offense to get more on track.  Hard to understand what went wrong with the offense.  They have a bunch of solid hitters, and even Hayward was improved.  They got more out of Baez than most people expected.  Bryant fell off significantly.  Not quite sure what's wrong with them, but when you have Rizzo leading off here and there, then there's clearly something out of whack with the offense.

But it was so coooool to see Rizzo leading off! That's Maddon thinking outside of the box!

Last night was the first I saw of the Cubs this year.  Bryant looked like a different hitter than I've seen.  Totally over-matched, not even close on many pitches.

He's had shoulder issues all year.  When he was coming back, they reported that they were changing his swing so that he kept both hands on the bat all the way through the follow-through to prevent more stress on the shoulder.  The announcer even pointed it out last night...that he keeps both hands on the bat.  I'm not sure what the plans are over the winter, but it will be interesting to see how they address it.  Will they try to strengthen the shoulder so he can go back to his old swing, or will he be practicing to get used to the new two-handed swing?  Dunno.

blondy28 wrote:

jaywit wrote:

alohafri wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

blondy28 wrote:

sharpy wrote:The Cubs are young and talented and should be in the WS conversation for years to come.



Near the bottom in offense in the last month. Can't wait until the waste $400 million in Bryce over-hyped Harper this winter. He'll make the Hayward signing look a lot better. Lester getting older. Hendricks had a lously year. Q being Q for a few more years until they sign him for big bucks and make the Harper trade look good. Atlanta if the 90s has one superstar position player, Chipper Jones and 3 HOF starting pitchers- that's not the Cubs. These Cubs are the 1968-74 Cubs. If not for the expanded playoffs, how good are they? Top it all off, they have the most overrated manager in baseball- who almost blew the one series they did win. 

The expanded playoff has nothing to do with how good a team is.  Before the expansion, you often had some of the best teams in baseball not make the playoffs.  In 2015, the Cubs, Pirates and St. Louis had the 3 best records in all of baseball, with no American League team having a record better than the 3.  In 2016, the Cubs had the best records in all of baseball.  Cubs won their division in 2017...nothing to do with expanded playoffs.  In 2018, the Cubs had the 2nd best record in the NL, and it took an extra game to decide that.  To say that the Cubs (or any team) haven't been good because of expanded playoffs is patently absurd.  Hell...you just listed some absolutely horrific statistics, yet the Cubs have the 2nd best record in the NL!!!!  If you think this team isn't built to be competitive and in the WS conversation year after year, then you simply have your Hawkaroo glasses on.

They just seemed not to click this year.  There is a significant need for better pitching and for their offense to get more on track.  Hard to understand what went wrong with the offense.  They have a bunch of solid hitters, and even Hayward was improved.  They got more out of Baez than most people expected.  Bryant fell off significantly.  Not quite sure what's wrong with them, but when you have Rizzo leading off here and there, then there's clearly something out of whack with the offense.

But it was so coooool to see Rizzo leading off! That's Maddon thinking outside of the box!

Last night was the first I saw of the Cubs this year.  Bryant looked like a different hitter than I've seen.  Totally over-matched, not even close on many pitches.

He's had shoulder issues all year.  When he was coming back, they reported that they were changing his swing so that he kept both hands on the bat all the way through the follow-through to prevent more stress on the shoulder.  The announcer even pointed it out last night...that he keeps both hands on the bat.  I'm not sure what the plans are over the winter, but it will be interesting to see how they address it.  Will they try to strengthen the shoulder so he can go back to his old swing, or will he be practicing to get used to the new two-handed swing?  Dunno.

sharpy wrote:The expanded playoff has nothing to do with how good a team is.  Before the expansion, you often had some of the best teams in baseball not make the playoffs.  In 2015, the Cubs, Pirates and St. Louis had the 3 best records in all of baseball, with no American League team having a record better than the 3.  In 2016, the Cubs had the best records in all of baseball.  Cubs won their division in 2017...nothing to do with expanded playoffs.  In 2018, the Cubs had the 2nd best record in the NL, and it took an extra game to decide that.  To say that the Cubs (or any team) haven't been good because of expanded playoffs is patently absurd.  Hell...you just listed some absolutely horrific statistics, yet the Cubs have the 2nd best record in the NL!!!!  If you think this team isn't built to be competitive and in the WS conversation year after year, then you simply have your Hawkaroo glasses on.



You're probably not old enough but these are the exact same excuses Cub fans used from 67-74.  Off years, didn't click, not enough pitching, no lead off hitter (?Kessinger), bad manager, bad luck, etc etc etc.  Since 2014 the Cubs have won their division twice- wild card twice.  You yourself stated the season is a bust without a World Series. Old Cubs had great records too, just not good enough. Contreras thinks he's Roy Campanella - hits .260 with 10 Homer's and watches fly balls drop in the field. I don't have Hawkeroo glasses on, but you sure have Brickhouse shades going. Hey Hey.