The Lincoln Project

blondy28 wrote:The Lincoln Project may just be the reason that Biden gets elected, if he pulls this out.  Their ads are amazing.  Last night they debuted an ad that's over 6 minutes...well worth the watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=4TogbPPyQQM&feature=emb_logo

I watched the ad premiere last night, which was followed by a town hall hosted by 5 of the people involved with this group, which was also excellent.

alohafri wrote:

blondy28 wrote:The Lincoln Project may just be the reason that Biden gets elected, if he pulls this out.  Their ads are amazing.  Last night they debuted an ad that's over 6 minutes...well worth the watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=4TogbPPyQQM&feature=emb_logo

I watched the ad premiere last night, which was followed by a town hall hosted by 5 of the people involved with this group, which was also excellent.

Somehow I think Skeletor Conway is making George sleep in another room.

sharpy wrote:How depressing that the most effective ads against a republican fascist government and attempted coup of the american democracy that will help the Democrats the most, come from Republicans. No wonder Will Rogers said "I don't belong to any organized political party. I am a democrat".  

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

sharpy wrote:How depressing that the most effective ads against a republican fascist government and attempted coup of the american democracy that will help the Democrats the most, come from Republicans. No wonder Will Rogers said "I don't belong to any organized political party. I am a democrat".  

Is it possible that they carry more weight because they are known to be produced by a bunch of Repubs against a Repub?  If a bunch of Dems were making them, might they get lost in the fray and be looked at as typical campaign politics?

alohafri wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

sharpy wrote:How depressing that the most effective ads against a republican fascist government and attempted coup of the american democracy that will help the Democrats the most, come from Republicans. No wonder Will Rogers said "I don't belong to any organized political party. I am a democrat".  

Is it possible that they carry more weight because they are known to be produced by a bunch of Repubs against a Repub?  If a bunch of Dems were making them, might they get lost in the fray and be looked at as typical campaign politics?

To the Cultists, they are RINOs...you know, one of Kark's favorite names for me. I honestly don't get it. There is nothing conservative about anything Trump has done. NOTHING. He's spending money like a drunken sailor on leave, he's trying to expand the power of the federal government, he's using the executive order to try to expand his power. There is nothing conservative about him. he is the true cult of personality. I can only think that the reason people like Jordan, Guiliani, Graham, etc. support him is because they have skeletons in their closet and Trump has promised to pardon them if these skeletons came to light in exchange for his support. The rest of them, with the exception of people like Romney and a few people in state and local government, are staying silent so they don't feel his "twitter wrath". I wonder how they sleep at night.

sharpy wrote: When I bring up your points to my conservative, Trump-loving friends, they say he's conservative because Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and lower taxes for corporations.  Apparently the ends justify the means




Let's not forget anti-abortion, anti - gay right , anti- immigrants .. 

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

sharpy wrote: When I bring up your points to my conservative, Trump-loving friends, they say he's conservative because Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and lower taxes for corporations.  Apparently the ends justify the means




Let's not forget anti-abortion, anti - gay right , anti- immigrants .. 

Yes.  That, too.  Prior to about 10 yrs ago, I never thought of conservatives as anti-immigrant.  I never even knew they were so anti-immigrant until during the time when unaccompanied minors from Central America were showing up at the border (during the Obama years) and conservatives were losing their shit about it.  Seeing as how pretty much every large and medium sized corporation in this country has a shit-ton of legal and undocumented immigrants working there, I figured immigrants were viewed fairly highly in the eyes of the right and looked at as a commodity, if nothing else.  Cheap labor.

alohafri wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

sharpy wrote: When I bring up your points to my conservative, Trump-loving friends, they say he's conservative because Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and lower taxes for corporations.  Apparently the ends justify the means




Let's not forget anti-abortion, anti - gay right , anti- immigrants .. 

Yes.  That, too.  Prior to about 10 yrs ago, I never thought of conservatives as anti-immigrant.  I never even knew they were so anti-immigrant until during the time when unaccompanied minors from Central America were showing up at the border (during the Obama years) and conservatives were losing their shit about it.  Seeing as how pretty much every large and medium sized corporation in this country has a shit-ton of legal and undocumented immigrants working there, I figured immigrants were viewed fairly highly in the eyes of the right and looked at as a commodity, if nothing else.  Cheap labor.

Real conservatives have no problem with immigration because they do represent cheap labor, even legal immigrants. Trump has managed to tap into the racist fear of them "taking your jobs", never mind the fact that people like Kark would never do the manual labor that many immigrants do.


Am I wrong when I say that Kavanaugh and Gorsuch have ruled against Trump on a couple of cases?

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

alohafri wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

sharpy wrote: When I bring up your points to my conservative, Trump-loving friends, they say he's conservative because Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and lower taxes for corporations.  Apparently the ends justify the means




Let's not forget anti-abortion, anti - gay right , anti- immigrants .. 

Yes.  That, too.  Prior to about 10 yrs ago, I never thought of conservatives as anti-immigrant.  I never even knew they were so anti-immigrant until during the time when unaccompanied minors from Central America were showing up at the border (during the Obama years) and conservatives were losing their shit about it.  Seeing as how pretty much every large and medium sized corporation in this country has a shit-ton of legal and undocumented immigrants working there, I figured immigrants were viewed fairly highly in the eyes of the right and looked at as a commodity, if nothing else.  Cheap labor.

Real conservatives have no problem with immigration because they do represent cheap labor, even legal immigrants. Trump has managed to tap into the racist fear of them "taking your jobs", never mind the fact that people like Kark would never do the manual labor that many immigrants do.


Am I wrong when I say that Kavanaugh and Gorsuch have ruled against Trump on a couple of cases?

No.  You're right.  They've been reliably conservative, but not exclusively.

jaywit wrote:I had planned on donating to this group, feel better about that than donating directly to Biden.  However, I had seen headlines and a brief summary of an article from The Atlantic that had negative views on the tactics of this group and before donating I had planned to read the article.  Now, when I go to find the article, it's not free anymore and I need to pay subscription.  Did anybody read the article?

jaywit wrote:I had planned on donating to this group, feel better about that than donating directly to Biden.  However, I had seen headlines and a brief summary of an article from The Atlantic that had negative views on the tactics of this group and before donating I had planned to read the article.  Now, when I go to find the article, it's not free anymore and I need to pay subscription.  Did anybody read the article?

blondy28 wrote:

jaywit wrote:I had planned on donating to this group, feel better about that than donating directly to Biden.  However, I had seen headlines and a brief summary of an article from The Atlantic that had negative views on the tactics of this group and before donating I had planned to read the article.  Now, when I go to find the article, it's not free anymore and I need to pay subscription.  Did anybody read the article?

I didn't read it, but Steve Schmidt was in a twitter fight with someone about it.