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by SoxIlliniRob Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:57 pm

As I've noted, I nervously enjoy AOC. I like her and she sometimes makes me nervous. I'm usually very impressed at her ability to make a point in a succinct way. I figure this will come up again...a quote by her...but the following is one of the reasons I enjoy having her out there talking to the media every day.

"We should not be haunted by the specter of being automated out of work. We should be excited by that. But the reason we're not excited by it is because we live in a society where if you don't have a job, you are left to die. And that is, at its core, our problem. - AOC

There's a little bit of flair for exaggeration right there, but this is a very good point and something worth thinking about. She's a wacko sometimes, but I think she throws out some poignant thoughts once in a while and this is one of them in my world.

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by cream919 Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:14 pm

She's a fucking genius compared to that fat-assed joke who is president...and smarter than the rest of his family and the vast majority of his cronies as well. She'll become more polished as time goes on.

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by SoxIlliniRob Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:18 pm

cream919 wrote:She's a fucking genius compared to that fat-assed joke who is president...and smarter than the rest of his family and the vast majority of his cronies as well. She'll become more polished as time goes on.

She's clearly smart, while also being quite naive at times. But aren't we all? I find her very talented at communicating difficult things in clear words. This is a talent Biden and Bernie Sanders possess. It's going to take someone like her or someone of her ilk to help get single payer healthcare over the goal line in terms of selling it to the American public in a way that they accept it as something that's worth doing and something we can afford.

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by cream919 Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:22 pm

Naive? You wanna see naivety Rob? Suggest you go check out the throngs gathered at a Trump rally.

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by jaywit Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:22 pm

AOC comes across as unapologetic and having the audacity of Trump. As opposed to Trump, however, she actually makes valid points supporting her view without lying or distorting. She frightens the shit out of the far right crowd. I've seen two different 5 minute presentations she's given to Congress. Very articulate, very succinct and very persuasive. Able to talk and be understood at all levels. So far, so good as far as I'm concerned.

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by SoxIlliniRob Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:33 pm

jaywit wrote:AOC comes across as unapologetic and having the audacity of Trump. As opposed to Trump, however, she actually makes valid points supporting her view without lying or distorting. She frightens the shit out of the far right crowd. I've seen two different 5 minute presentations she's given to Congress. Very articulate, very succinct and very persuasive. Able to talk and be understood at all levels. So far, so good as far as I'm concerned.

Same thing I've been thinking. Right now, it's popular for the far righties to call her an idiot or a dumb ass. She's clearly not dumb or an idiot, but she occasionally talks beyond her knowledge base and embarrasses herself a bit, but like you said, she has audacity. She's not afraid to tackle taboo topics, and she does so with clarity while making points that are valid and well communicated. That's what impresses me about her...that she tackles tough topics with clarity and knows how to message them. And yes, she scares to living shit out of the rightie world. You only need 30 mins of watching Fox to see how worked up they are about her. She is their number one topic of discussion every hour on the hour. They keep on pushing her as the face and mind of the Dem party, but I wonder if they realize that the under 30 crowd hears that and thinks "really? Cool. I think I'm a Democrat, then."

I guess you could compare her to Trump. She's like Trump, minus the illiteracy, and then add 50 scoops of humanity, decency and honesty.

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by blondy28 Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:28 pm

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

jaywit wrote:AOC comes across as unapologetic and having the audacity of Trump. As opposed to Trump, however, she actually makes valid points supporting her view without lying or distorting. She frightens the shit out of the far right crowd. I've seen two different 5 minute presentations she's given to Congress. Very articulate, very succinct and very persuasive. Able to talk and be understood at all levels. So far, so good as far as I'm concerned.

Same thing I've been thinking. Right now, it's popular for the far righties to call her an idiot or a dumb ass. She's clearly not dumb or an idiot, but she occasionally talks beyond her knowledge base and embarrasses herself a bit, but like you said, she has audacity. She's not afraid to tackle taboo topics, and she does so with clarity while making points that are valid and well communicated. That's what impresses me about her...that she tackles tough topics with clarity and knows how to message them. And yes, she scares to living shit out of the rightie world. You only need 30 mins of watching Fox to see how worked up they are about her. She is their number one topic of discussion every hour on the hour. They keep on pushing her as the face and mind of the Dem party, but I wonder if they realize that the under 30 crowd hears that and thinks "really? Cool. I think I'm a Democrat, then."

I guess you could compare her to Trump. She's like Trump, minus the illiteracy, and then add 50 scoops of humanity, decency and honesty.

It's pretty funny that the people who don't think Trump's a raging idiot (I heard him say Tim Cook!) question AOC's intelligence.

My son Jake is my most politically engaged of my 3, as I've mentioned many times. The ACLU actually wrote a letter of recommendation for him for college because of his involvement in the transgender bathroom debate. He went to St. Norbert as a freshman, then came back because 1) he hated Green Bay, and 2) he changed his major to comedy writing. I texted him the other day to ask him about taking some classes at Second City over the summer, and he told me that he was probably going in another direction. He's an extremely gifted writer, so I'm glad that he plans to do something with his writing. He's looking at doing something in journalism possibly, and is applying for internships at the Sun Times, Tribune, and Chicago Reader, but also, he said "I'm also interested in doing communications or any sort of press work for places like ACLU or the Democratic Socialists of America, or maybe even more direct forms of labor organizing with like a local Chicago union." That's my kid!!! One can see why he was apoplectic when he found out that I wouldn't be voting for Bernie Sanders in the primary.

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by SoxIlliniRob Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:55 am

blondy28 wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

jaywit wrote:AOC comes across as unapologetic and having the audacity of Trump. As opposed to Trump, however, she actually makes valid points supporting her view without lying or distorting. She frightens the shit out of the far right crowd. I've seen two different 5 minute presentations she's given to Congress. Very articulate, very succinct and very persuasive. Able to talk and be understood at all levels. So far, so good as far as I'm concerned.

Same thing I've been thinking. Right now, it's popular for the far righties to call her an idiot or a dumb ass. She's clearly not dumb or an idiot, but she occasionally talks beyond her knowledge base and embarrasses herself a bit, but like you said, she has audacity. She's not afraid to tackle taboo topics, and she does so with clarity while making points that are valid and well communicated. That's what impresses me about her...that she tackles tough topics with clarity and knows how to message them. And yes, she scares to living shit out of the rightie world. You only need 30 mins of watching Fox to see how worked up they are about her. She is their number one topic of discussion every hour on the hour. They keep on pushing her as the face and mind of the Dem party, but I wonder if they realize that the under 30 crowd hears that and thinks "really? Cool. I think I'm a Democrat, then."

I guess you could compare her to Trump. She's like Trump, minus the illiteracy, and then add 50 scoops of humanity, decency and honesty.

It's pretty funny that the people who don't think Trump's a raging idiot (I heard him say Tim Cook!) question AOC's intelligence.

My son Jake is my most politically engaged of my 3, as I've mentioned many times. The ACLU actually wrote a letter of recommendation for him for college because of his involvement in the transgender bathroom debate. He went to St. Norbert as a freshman, then came back because 1) he hated Green Bay, and 2) he changed his major to comedy writing. I texted him the other day to ask him about taking some classes at Second City over the summer, and he told me that he was probably going in another direction. He's an extremely gifted writer, so I'm glad that he plans to do something with his writing. He's looking at doing something in journalism possibly, and is applying for internships at the Sun Times, Tribune, and Chicago Reader, but also, he said "I'm also interested in doing communications or any sort of press work for places like ACLU or the Democratic Socialists of America, or maybe even more direct forms of labor organizing with like a local Chicago union." That's my kid!!! One can see why he was apoplectic when he found out that I wouldn't be voting for Bernie Sanders in the primary.

Sounds like he has an interesting future ahead of him. He sounds like a smart kid that's looking for his path. He'll figure it out.

Anymore, AOC continues to grow on me in ways I didn't foresee. She is so prepared in her committee hearing questioning that I sometimes can't believe my eyes and ears. I gotta say, for as respected and centrist as Joe Crowley was before she took him out, I feel as if she is 100x the congressperson he was for the sheer reason that she's such an openly fierce fucking advocate for progressive interests. I don't say this to pick on Crowley. He was fine. He's a good guy and i enjoy him when he does pundit work on the various political shows now. Never had a single complaint about him, but AOC is putting the rest of congress to shame from the respect of show me one god damn member of congress that's putting in the time she is...that's building the masses behind her....that's steering the debate the way she is. Love her or hate her (and there's plenty of both), she's taking on her job with fearlessness and boldness that I am utterly amazed at. Saw a quote from her recently about how she decided from the first moment she began running that she would do with fearlessly and with bravery that nobody else is willing to have. We sometimes laugh at these political assholes that are so buttoned up and never say a damn thing of consequence. They mumble politically safe things and cling to power however possible. This lady doesn't give a fuck. If she gets voted out she'll go make millions doing something else. She has decided she's an advocate for the people of this country and she's going to die trying to help them. Maybe I'm sounding like a fanboy, but I greatly admire the way she's doing something that 99% of congress is afraid to do, and that she's not afraid of how politically UN-expedient any of it is. She's easily my favorite political figure right now, by 1,000 miles.

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by blondy28 Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:16 pm

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

blondy28 wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

jaywit wrote:AOC comes across as unapologetic and having the audacity of Trump. As opposed to Trump, however, she actually makes valid points supporting her view without lying or distorting. She frightens the shit out of the far right crowd. I've seen two different 5 minute presentations she's given to Congress. Very articulate, very succinct and very persuasive. Able to talk and be understood at all levels. So far, so good as far as I'm concerned.

Same thing I've been thinking. Right now, it's popular for the far righties to call her an idiot or a dumb ass. She's clearly not dumb or an idiot, but she occasionally talks beyond her knowledge base and embarrasses herself a bit, but like you said, she has audacity. She's not afraid to tackle taboo topics, and she does so with clarity while making points that are valid and well communicated. That's what impresses me about her...that she tackles tough topics with clarity and knows how to message them. And yes, she scares to living shit out of the rightie world. You only need 30 mins of watching Fox to see how worked up they are about her. She is their number one topic of discussion every hour on the hour. They keep on pushing her as the face and mind of the Dem party, but I wonder if they realize that the under 30 crowd hears that and thinks "really? Cool. I think I'm a Democrat, then."

I guess you could compare her to Trump. She's like Trump, minus the illiteracy, and then add 50 scoops of humanity, decency and honesty.

It's pretty funny that the people who don't think Trump's a raging idiot (I heard him say Tim Cook!) question AOC's intelligence.

My son Jake is my most politically engaged of my 3, as I've mentioned many times. The ACLU actually wrote a letter of recommendation for him for college because of his involvement in the transgender bathroom debate. He went to St. Norbert as a freshman, then came back because 1) he hated Green Bay, and 2) he changed his major to comedy writing. I texted him the other day to ask him about taking some classes at Second City over the summer, and he told me that he was probably going in another direction. He's an extremely gifted writer, so I'm glad that he plans to do something with his writing. He's looking at doing something in journalism possibly, and is applying for internships at the Sun Times, Tribune, and Chicago Reader, but also, he said "I'm also interested in doing communications or any sort of press work for places like ACLU or the Democratic Socialists of America, or maybe even more direct forms of labor organizing with like a local Chicago union." That's my kid!!! One can see why he was apoplectic when he found out that I wouldn't be voting for Bernie Sanders in the primary.

Sounds like he has an interesting future ahead of him. He sounds like a smart kid that's looking for his path. He'll figure it out.

Anymore, AOC continues to grow on me in ways I didn't foresee. She is so prepared in her committee hearing questioning that I sometimes can't believe my eyes and ears. I gotta say, for as respected and centrist as Joe Crowley was before she took him out, I feel as if she is 100x the congressperson he was for the sheer reason that she's such an openly fierce fucking advocate for progressive interests. I don't say this to pick on Crowley. He was fine. He's a good guy and i enjoy him when he does pundit work on the various political shows now. Never had a single complaint about him, but AOC is putting the rest of congress to shame from the respect of show me one god damn member of congress that's putting in the time she is...that's building the masses behind her....that's steering the debate the way she is. Love her or hate her (and there's plenty of both), she's taking on her job with fearlessness and boldness that I am utterly amazed at. Saw a quote from her recently about how she decided from the first moment she began running that she would do with fearlessly and with bravery that nobody else is willing to have. We sometimes laugh at these political assholes that are so buttoned up and never say a damn thing of consequence. They mumble politically safe things and cling to power however possible. This lady doesn't give a fuck. If she gets voted out she'll go make millions doing something else. She has decided she's an advocate for the people of this country and she's going to die trying to help them. Maybe I'm sounding like a fanboy, but I greatly admire the way she's doing something that 99% of congress is afraid to do, and that she's not afraid of how politically UN-expedient any of it is. She's easily my favorite political figure right now, by 1,000 miles.

What I find particularly impressive about her is that in spite of always being one of the last questioners (do they do it base on who has been in HOUSE and/or on that committee the longest?) she seems to have a lot of GREAT questions that the 30 people before didn't even think to ask. If she does end up double dipping on a question or two, her questioning is said in a way that she boils it down in a comprehensive manner...something her colleagues aren't always able to do, which is making for some unbelievable video. Underestimate her at your peril GOP.

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by blondy28 Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:56 am

I'm officially all in on AOC. She was absolutely spectacular last night in the Green New Deal town hall...right down to calling out someone in the audience who called the GOP former house member a moron by saying "Hey, hey. That's unacceptable"

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/aoc-claps-back-at-heckler-815704/

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by SoxIlliniRob Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:26 am

I'm with you on this, Pam. I love her bravery and I love that she doesn't care about what's politically expedient for her. She advocates for the masses and doesn't care if doing so will make her fodder for Fox News or Trump's dipshit kids to make fun of her on Twitter. I don't always agree with her, and she is sometimes downright kooky and overwrought with her comments that can border on silliness. But beyond that, I know she's behind me and you and our best interests, and I haven't the slightest doubt whatsoever that all of her noise is on OUR behalf and not on the behalf of some rich dude that's donating to her. That's all I can ask of anyone is that they are looking out for my best interest, and if I disagree with them about what they think is best for me then I can vote for the competition. She is a superstar.

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by blondy28 Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:01 pm

SoxIlliniRob wrote:I'm with you on this, Pam. I love her bravery and I love that she doesn't care about what's politically expedient for her. She advocates for the masses and doesn't care if doing so will make her fodder for Fox News or Trump's dipshit kids to make fun of her on Twitter. I don't always agree with her, and she is sometimes downright kooky and overwrought with her comments that can border on silliness. But beyond that, I know she's behind me and you and our best interests, and I haven't the slightest doubt whatsoever that all of her noise is on OUR behalf and not on the behalf of some rich dude that's donating to her. That's all I can ask of anyone is that they are looking out for my best interest, and if I disagree with them about what they think is best for me then I can vote for the competition. She is a superstar.

Mostly I'd seen her questioning people in committees, and she's been very prepared, and I've been very impressed with her questions, as previously noted, but I was interested to see how she would do in a town hall setting. Yes, people who are standing up for a certain position absolutely SHOULD be able to defend those positions intelligently, but not everybody excels at that piece of it. A lot of people speak with a lot of "umms" and pauses. She speaks like a 20-year veteran. I watched the clip of her responding to the GOP guy who claimed the Green New Deal was fine for "elites" and she shut him down and made him look totally foolish. And I echo her position. What's "elite" about wanting to drink water that's not poisoning you or air so bad that you can't breathe. As you know, we're dealing with an issue here now with the Sterigenics facility. The suggestion that the people victimized by poisoned water are too poor to be able to have clean water, because that's only for the "elite" is beyond baffling. And the cows. The damned cows. "The dems are going to outlaw hamburgers, and you'll never eat ice cream again." I loved her response to that. "I expected them to go after me, but I didn't think they'd make fools of themselves". (paraphrasing). As you note, she IS a superstar, and she will only get better with experience.

As a side note, I was super impressed with Mayor Pete, who was on Bill Maher Friday. Liked him a lot.

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by SoxIlliniRob Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:43 pm

blondy28 wrote:

As a side note, I was super impressed with Mayor Pete, who was on Bill Maher Friday. Liked him a lot.

I taped it and still need to watch it. Just returned from vacation.

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by cream919 Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:41 pm

I mentioned Pete on here first. One of the smartest and most progressive candidates in the presidential field is from fucking Indiana. Imagine that. Proof that we're not all a bunch of hayseeds playing pocket pool with ourselves over that pathetic excuse for a president we're burdened with. What a Face

What a Face

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by jaywit Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:45 am

SoxIlliniRob wrote:I'm with you on this, Pam. I love her bravery and I love that she doesn't care about what's politically expedient for her. She advocates for the masses and doesn't care if doing so will make her fodder for Fox News or Trump's dipshit kids to make fun of her on Twitter. I don't always agree with her, and she is sometimes downright kooky and overwrought with her comments that can border on silliness. But beyond that, I know she's behind me and you and our best interests, and I haven't the slightest doubt whatsoever that all of her noise is on OUR behalf and not on the behalf of some rich dude that's donating to her. That's all I can ask of anyone is that they are looking out for my best interest, and if I disagree with them about what they think is best for me then I can vote for the competition. She is a superstar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVuVSk_IUAc

This kooky superstar is becoming my hero. She demands honesty!

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by SoxIlliniRob Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:32 am

cream919 wrote:I mentioned Pete on here first. One of the smartest and most progressive candidates in the presidential field is from fucking Indiana. Imagine that. Proof that we're not all a bunch of hayseeds playing pocket pool with ourselves over that pathetic excuse for a president we're burdened with.

I gotta tell you, Cream...Pete's got game. He's absolutely brilliant at spreading his message. He knows how to make his points in an endearing and intelligent way. He speaks to the veterans because he's a veteran. He speaks to the evangelicals because he's active in his church. He speaks to the gay folks cuz he's gay. He speaks to the young'ins cuz he's a young'in. And best of all, he's super fucking smart and nice. I have no idea what kind of large scale leader he might make, but it couldn't be worse than the current dogshit pile that's sitting in the office. Worst case, you'd have a smart, nice guy with strong character who can't quite handle the job, which is still much better than we now have.

His speech in front of the LGBT audience on Sunday was as brilliant a defense of the notion of homosexuality being a born-in predisposition as any I've heard, and I thought he did a fine job of putting Pence in his proper place.

It'll be interesting to see if he can rise to the occasion. I think that right now if I had my choice, I might be inclined to want him to get the nomination, although I suspect Biden is still the best bet for taking down Trump in a head to head competition. My hope for Buttigieg is that he begins to really excite the young gen voters and gets them off their apathetic asses and out to vote. Hopefully he can pull some of the people away from the Sanders crowd.

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by cream919 Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:22 pm

Three years ago who would have thought that the mentally ill pile of shit who now calls himself president would have won the election? Anything can happen. I know of some easterners who are very impressed with Pete and are taking a good long look at him. We all know momentum is all takes and I see Pete emerging from the pack methodically as time rolls on. Sorry Rob, but I think Biden would be chewed up and spat out by Trump. I think he's too old, too awkward and too establishment to make a serious candidate. Obviously polls don't mean shit right now....hell they didn't mean shit in October 2016 either. As time goes on I really don't see him lasting. Pete, on the other hand, comes off as refreshing and smooth...he exudes leadership. He's going to make things interesting.

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by SoxIlliniRob Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:37 pm

cream919 wrote:Three years ago who would have thought that the mentally ill pile of shit who now calls himself president would have won the election? Anything can happen. I know of some easterners who are very impressed with Pete and are taking a good long look at him. We all know momentum is all takes and I see Pete emerging from the pack methodically as time rolls on. Sorry Rob, but I think Biden would be chewed up and spat out by Trump. I think he's too old, too awkward and too establishment to make a serious candidate. Obviously polls don't mean shit right now....hell they didn't mean shit in October 2016 either. As time goes on I really don't see him lasting. Pete, on the other hand, comes off as refreshing and smooth...he exudes leadership. He's going to make things interesting.

You need not be sorry. I actually hope your posted thoughts about Pete are correct because I think he has a much better chance of building a coalition of young voters that are passionate about him than Biden does. I don't know that Biden being awkward even matters anymore because Trump has shown that not being appealing is apparently appealing. Trump is awkward and repulsive, and then add three scoops of fucking stoopid on top and he's somehow built a following. My concern about Biden is more that he's just tired of all of this shit and will flame out after about 6 months. Maybe that's what you mean by chewing him up and spitting him out. I get the feeling that Biden is only going to run because he thinks he might be the Dems' best chance. My guess is that if it turns out Pete is a great candidate, Biden will be perfectly thrilled with that.

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by blondy28 Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:24 pm

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

cream919 wrote:Three years ago who would have thought that the mentally ill pile of shit who now calls himself president would have won the election? Anything can happen. I know of some easterners who are very impressed with Pete and are taking a good long look at him. We all know momentum is all takes and I see Pete emerging from the pack methodically as time rolls on. Sorry Rob, but I think Biden would be chewed up and spat out by Trump. I think he's too old, too awkward and too establishment to make a serious candidate. Obviously polls don't mean shit right now....hell they didn't mean shit in October 2016 either. As time goes on I really don't see him lasting. Pete, on the other hand, comes off as refreshing and smooth...he exudes leadership. He's going to make things interesting.

You need not be sorry. I actually hope your posted thoughts about Pete are correct because I think he has a much better chance of building a coalition of young voters that are passionate about him than Biden does. I don't know that Biden being awkward even matters anymore because Trump has shown that not being appealing is apparently appealing. Trump is awkward and repulsive, and then add three scoops of fucking stoopid on top and he's somehow built a following. My concern about Biden is more that he's just tired of all of this shit and will flame out after about 6 months. Maybe that's what you mean by chewing him up and spitting him out. I get the feeling that Biden is only going to run because he thinks he might be the Dems' best chance. My guess is that if it turns out Pete is a great candidate, Biden will be perfectly thrilled with that.

As the mother of an extremely engaged young voter, I can tell you that my son and his friends are unimpressed. Jake sent me this article to "expose" Mayor Pete. The article was far too long for me to read the entire thing...I got the idea far sooner...but Jake and his friends like Bernie first, and Elizabeth Warren second.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete?fbclid=IwAR3NDE1EA2YKAkq_FhK51FbyhpaZkdnAke5OgqHIHddd4drhgvVhNx2M4hY

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by cream919 Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:03 am

Meh....I read a good deal of the article too and the guy who wrote it obviously wasn't impressed...that's his prerogative but with election day a year and a half away we're gonna read a shitload of articles like this on all of the candidates before all is said and done. Right now I'd say Bernie is probably the front runner of all the dems...I'd vote for him but I still think he's too old. (Trump, Bernie and Biden are ALL too fucking old!!) Elizabeth Warren?? I'll go on record right now and state she doesn't have an ice cube's chance in hell.

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by SoxIlliniRob Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:26 am

Same thoughts from me on Warren. If we nominate her, we might as well just lay out the red carpet for Trump. Hopefully, young gen realizes this. Warren has offered the most substantive campaign and platform but people aren't going to excitedly go out on election day to elect her. She is awkward and weird and will lose. Sanders, I believe, would have beaten Trump easily in 2016. I don't think that same thing for 2020. I don't need progressive purity. I need somebody that can defeat this orange, flaming bag of dogshit.

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Re: AOC Quotes

by blondy28 Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:50 am

SoxIlliniRob wrote:Same thoughts from me on Warren. If we nominate her, we might as well just lay out the red carpet for Trump. Hopefully, young gen realizes this. Warren has offered the most substantive campaign and platform but people aren't going to excitedly go out on election day to elect her. She is awkward and weird and will lose. Sanders, I believe, would have beaten Trump easily in 2016. I don't think that same thing for 2020. I don't need progressive purity. I need somebody that can defeat this orange, flaming bag of dogshit.

I don't think Sanders would have beaten Trump. I think Biden is our best shot in 2020, although Trump's act was new in 2016, and his behavior, I think, stunned the GOP rivals in the primaries...they didn't even know how to respond. You need look no further than Mnuchin and Candace Owens before congress yesterday, or Matt Whitaker a couple of months ago, or Kavanaugh at the Blasey-Ford hearing that they've taken "strong and wrong" to obscene levels. So while we have a better idea of what to expect, I still fear that Beto or Mayor Pete would be dears in the headlights during the debates.

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Re: AOC Quotes

by SoxIlliniRob Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:05 am

blondy28 wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:Same thoughts from me on Warren. If we nominate her, we might as well just lay out the red carpet for Trump. Hopefully, young gen realizes this. Warren has offered the most substantive campaign and platform but people aren't going to excitedly go out on election day to elect her. She is awkward and weird and will lose. Sanders, I believe, would have beaten Trump easily in 2016. I don't think that same thing for 2020. I don't need progressive purity. I need somebody that can defeat this orange, flaming bag of dogshit.

I don't think Sanders would have beaten Trump. I think Biden is our best shot in 2020, although Trump's act was new in 2016, and his behavior, I think, stunned the GOP rivals in the primaries...they didn't even know how to respond. You need look no further than Mnuchin and Candace Owens before congress yesterday, or Matt Whitaker a couple of months ago, or Kavanaugh at the Blasey-Ford hearing that they've taken "strong and wrong" to obscene levels. So while we have a better idea of what to expect, I still fear that Beto or Mayor Pete would be dears in the headlights during the debates.

The only reason I think Sanders would have won is that there was a huge contingent that would have come out to specifically vote FOR him, whereas with Hillary, there was a huge contingent that disliked Trump but went and voted for him in droves just to vote AGAINST Hillary. I have a lot of friends that voted for Trump, and many of them were centrists or lifelong Dems that were more than willing to vote Bernie in 2016, who liked Bernie, but for whatever reason hated Hillary. I don't know anyone (I'm sure some exist) that voted for Hillary but would have chosen Trump over Sanders.

For now, Biden is our best shot, but there's a lot out there that will still come up. He'll say some REALLY stupid shit during the campaign and much of that will be used against him. When I see him speaking, he looks worn and tired and done, as if he had to work up the energy just to do that. That will be played hard against him.

Not sure what to make of Beto going into a debate, but Pete is fucking smart, and it's hard for me to imagine him not being able to handle himself. We'll see, I guess, but he really understands branding, and is a careful speaker. Comes across as inherently a good person, except to those who are caught up calling him a sinner for being gay. I suspect that inherent goodness will come through a bit.

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Re: AOC Quotes

by blondy28 Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:03 am

SoxIlliniRob wrote:

blondy28 wrote:

SoxIlliniRob wrote:Same thoughts from me on Warren. If we nominate her, we might as well just lay out the red carpet for Trump. Hopefully, young gen realizes this. Warren has offered the most substantive campaign and platform but people aren't going to excitedly go out on election day to elect her. She is awkward and weird and will lose. Sanders, I believe, would have beaten Trump easily in 2016. I don't think that same thing for 2020. I don't need progressive purity. I need somebody that can defeat this orange, flaming bag of dogshit.

I don't think Sanders would have beaten Trump. I think Biden is our best shot in 2020, although Trump's act was new in 2016, and his behavior, I think, stunned the GOP rivals in the primaries...they didn't even know how to respond. You need look no further than Mnuchin and Candace Owens before congress yesterday, or Matt Whitaker a couple of months ago, or Kavanaugh at the Blasey-Ford hearing that they've taken "strong and wrong" to obscene levels. So while we have a better idea of what to expect, I still fear that Beto or Mayor Pete would be dears in the headlights during the debates.

The only reason I think Sanders would have won is that there was a huge contingent that would have come out to specifically vote FOR him, whereas with Hillary, there was a huge contingent that disliked Trump but went and voted for him in droves just to vote AGAINST Hillary. I have a lot of friends that voted for Trump, and many of them were centrists or lifelong Dems that were more than willing to vote Bernie in 2016, who liked Bernie, but for whatever reason hated Hillary. I don't know anyone (I'm sure some exist) that voted for Hillary but would have chosen Trump over Sanders.

For now, Biden is our best shot, but there's a lot out there that will still come up. He'll say some REALLY stupid shit during the campaign and much of that will be used against him. When I see him speaking, he looks worn and tired and done, as if he had to work up the energy just to do that. That will be played hard against him.

Not sure what to make of Beto going into a debate, but Pete is fucking smart, and it's hard for me to imagine him not being able to handle himself. We'll see, I guess, but he really understands branding, and is a careful speaker. Comes across as inherently a good person, except to those who are caught up calling him a sinner for being gay. I suspect that inherent goodness will come through a bit.

I know people who hated Bernie and would have gone 3rd party...one who lives in Michigan.

I watched two of Beto's debates, and he was quite good, and I have no doubt that Pete will know his stuff and present himself well in terms of the issues. I think the Trump camp would try to throw him off his game in the most deplorable ways possible.

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Re: AOC Quotes

by SoxIlliniRob Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:36 pm

blondy28 wrote:

I watched two of Beto's debates, and he was quite good, and I have no doubt that Pete will know his stuff and present himself well in terms of the issues. I think the Trump camp would try to throw him off his game in the most deplorable ways possible.

It's a safe bet Trump will approach any opponent that way.

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